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Old 18-05-2017, 08:54 PM
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1. Tracking . . .
You must remember the 180 degree rule. Any deviation from 180 degrees reduces the efficiency of the cast. When casting, pick the target you're casting at, turn through 180 degrees and pick a corresponding target for your back cast to aim for. For general tracking practice, find a football pitch and stand on a white line. Cast along the white line but allow your backcast to drop to the ground behind you . . . where is it in relation to the white line?

2. Angle of the haul . . .

Yes, usually out to the side on the back cast, down on the forward cast but be careful not to produce too extreme angles as the friction with the butt ring will be unhelpful

3/4. Straightening the fly line on the back cast . . .


If you're looking for distance you will need to open your stance . . . left foot forward if you're a right handed caster. Watching the direction and extension of your back cast is good. Anticipating the forward cast, 'creep' does effectively shorted the casting arc and can contribute to tailing loops. Think LEAPS . . . Casting a longer LINE requires a greater amount of ENERGY in the fly rod, a wider casting ARC, a longer PAUSE and a longer STROKE.


Some great stuff here Tater......however...... Few absolutes in life. I can be easily outcast by a lady who invariably casts from a closed stance...

But I have a better hat!
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Some great stuff here Tater......however...... Few absolutes in life. I can be easily outcast by a lady who invariably casts from a closed stance...

But I have a better hat!
What's wrong with Tracy's hat?
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Some great stuff here Tater......however...... Few absolutes in life. I can be easily outcast by a lady who invariably casts from a closed stance...

But I have a better hat!
I fear your hat may well be a distraction!

The greatest limiter in the ability to cast distance is not the ability to double haul but the ability to 'carry' line effectively and efficiently, i.e. with the a narrow, well formed loop. If you want to cast 75ft, efficiently, consistently and without undue effort, you need to be able to 'carry' 55ft of line and shoot 20ft of line.
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I can be easily outcast by a lady who invariably casts from a closed stance...
Which might well be a good demonstration of casting efficiency. In making longer casts, however, there are diminishing returns for effort and thus the need for longer strokes and sharper/longer hauls and a more open stance - unless one attempts to heave from a short stroke and haul at which it all turns to brown.

Oh and just to stir the tailing loops pot, I don't believe creep causes them. IMHO it's more likely that creep and early overpowering in the stroke are associated.

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Old 18-05-2017, 10:31 PM
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I can be easily outcast by a lady who invariably casts from a closed stance...

But I have a better hat!
Ah Matt, you haven't seen my best hat! See you at Oswestry, Tracy
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Which might well be a good demonstration of casting efficiency. In making longer casts, however, there are diminishing returns for effort and thus the need for longer strokes and sharper/longer hauls and a more open stance - unless one attempts to heave from a short stroke and haul at which it all turns to brown.

Oh and just to stir the tailing loops pot, I don't believe creep causes them. IMHO it's more likely that creep and early overpowering in the stroke are associated.

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I've only seen vid footage of Tracey casting... closed stance and no heaving and the line flies to the horizon...
I was chatting with a casting instructor who reckoned women were often easier to teach... more timing and less heaving
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I was chatting with a casting instructor who reckoned women were often easier to teach... more timing and less heaving
. . . and good listening skills, no desire to demonstrate the strength to cast into the next county and will admit to not being 'perfect'.
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Which might well be a good demonstration of casting efficiency. In making longer casts, however, there are diminishing returns for effort and thus the need for longer strokes and sharper/longer hauls and a more open stance - unless one attempts to heave from a short stroke and haul at which it all turns to brown.

Oh and just to stir the tailing loops pot, I don't believe creep causes them. IMHO it's more likely that creep and early overpowering in the stroke are associated.

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I have also heard that before. No doubt you can compensate for that but you will eventually run out of casting stroke (length) then you will end up overpowering. So perhaps you can still say creep does cause tailing if you don't make adjustments to your other elements?

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I fear your hat may well be a distraction!

The greatest limiter in the ability to cast distance is not the ability to double haul but the ability to 'carry' line effectively and efficiently, i.e. with the a narrow, well formed loop. If you want to cast 75ft, efficiently, consistently and without undue effort, you need to be able to 'carry' 55ft of line and shoot 20ft of line.
I think carrying 55ft isn't my problem, it is in the efficiecy of the stroke somewhere like tracking, haul timing, stop etc. and that prevents shooting of 20ft of line.
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Like everything else in casting practice ,practice hauling with a short manageable length of line . If you can't double haul a short line correctly you certainly ain't gonna do it with most of the line out .
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Like everything else in casting practice ,practice hauling with a short manageable length of line . If you can't double haul a short line correctly you certainly ain't gonna do it with most of the line out .
I have been going back to shorter line and making sure loop shape etc is ok. Tracking is the no 1 issue with longer lines.
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