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Old 16-05-2017, 09:54 PM
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Hit a wall Timing the haul of the longer line is difficult (the tournament casters will find what I am trying to achieve easy ). Tracking becomes increasingly difficult with errors magnified so much more with a longer line.... so much so that at one point I was casting the same distance with shooting line only Got better but still feel something is missing. I was getting respectable distance (for me) on shooting line alone and they were straighter than a lot of my efforts hauling.... no doubt tracking is a major culprit. James on another thread mentioned about trying to get a good distance w/o hauling but this does need a lot of effort on my part with greater acceleration of the rod and line. I think I am trying too hard a lot of the time, which frustrates me although I am seeing a slow improvement but not consistently to reproduce what I am doing - what depresses me is that on occasions I was getting 70+ w/o hauling, albeit with a lot of effort like rocking, increased rod acceleration and shooting line (no wind assistance) I feel that I should get more from double hauling than only several feet more (yes It is a little bit easier with the haul which requires less effort but it is so much more complex to get right when you add in the the hauls on top of the other stuff I mentioned). I think I have noted a few issues at least:
1. Tracking how do I go about resolving this?
2. Angle of the haul, particularly the forward haul I think I should be hauling down as close to the the axis of the rod as possible - I think it is easier to haul on the back
3. Straightening the fly line on the back cast - problem is I struggle to look at it as it introduces tracking error.... but I know this is one of the issues which led to the tip of my line kicking out
4. Crisp stop, but when I try I get more tailing compared to allowing the rod tip to rotate more which suggests inadequate casting arc (may be even creeping noting point 3) - does that mean I should actually open up the loop a little more? I think this will lead to more wind resistant loops.

I know it is more practice needed but I need a little bit of an inspiration

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Old 16-05-2017, 10:13 PM
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I'm no expert by any means hobo, but the one thing I notice when I practice going for further distance with hauling it's very easy to unintentionally speed up the rod stroke rather than keeping it at the same tempo and smooth.
I was out practicing very briefly earlier this eve and I can get 80' out consistently, but then when trying to get the whole flyline to the backing my stroke changes and speeds up.... it's really irritating as I know the problem.
I reckon like anything it's just practice, with a lot of line in the air any slight errors are magnified.

The other week I was having a play at distance and had the whole line stripped off with about 5' backing out... I hooked one up properly and the whole lot went and slapped the rod rings, only time I've connected with one to that degree, it felt different, so I guess it's just keep getting out there and moving forward slowly in increments from 75-80'.... I don't practice that sort of distance enough though to really crack it.
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Old 16-05-2017, 10:31 PM
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I have seen some improvement today compared to Sunday where I struggled to get to 70+ with hauling, a lot of the time, line was kicking out like an unintentional shepherd's crook cast at distance..... I have a bad habit of rotating the wrist inwards but this was magnified by forward creep as if I waited just a little longer, the issue was much less pronounced. I have now got to 75 more often than not but a lot of the time it is not pretty..... I feel that it should be easier than the way I am achieving it. As I said above I was surprised when I just cast w/o haul I could get over 60 easily and not infrequently over 70 so to me it is frustrating that I can't marry the hauling with the same action - but I suspect if I haul with what I am doing I will lose distance as the trajectory is not upwards - which is another thing, when I try to go higher, it appears to lose momentum. Clearly I am doing a lot of things incorrectly at the moment when I analyse what I am saying.....

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Old 16-05-2017, 10:38 PM
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I think you probably just self diagnosed one of the problems, it is really hard (or at least I have found it) not to over power the stroke to match the energy of the haul... when I keep the stroke tempo even and haul late at the end of the stroke the line zips... easy in principle
I've also found not practicing distance too long helps... 7 or 8 practice casts trying to really concentrate on the stroke and then back to my practicing my usual casting distances.
Just stick with it, it's technical carrying lots of line... even if 80' plus isnt lots of line to proper distance casters
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Old 16-05-2017, 10:52 PM
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I think you probably just self diagnosed one of the problems, it is really hard (or at least I have found it) not to over power the stroke to match the energy of the haul... when I keep the stroke tempo even and haul late at the end of the stroke the line zips... easy in principle
I've also found not practicing distance too long helps... 7 or 8 practice casts trying to really concentrate on the stroke and then back to my practicing my usual casting distances.
Just stick with it, it's technical carrying lots of line... even if 80' plus isnt lots of line to proper distance casters
That's why I said competition casters excluded, it's easy for them

7 or 8 casts not enough . Usually I am at it at least a couple of hrs, so long as concentration allows me to continue. I know it is said that it is better to do short stints for the 2 hours. I do punctuate it with other stuff. I think I am rushing it like running before learning to walk and whenever things don't work out I should go back to a shorter more manageable line and then repeat with a slightly longer line etc. Don't know why I am rushing, it must be my age , I feel I need to make up for lost time .

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Old 17-05-2017, 05:41 AM
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About 45 mins is the max I practice for, but have periods especially out of the trout season or if I'm really busy and struggling to get to the river where I'll pop over to the field 4 or 5 times a week... this time of year probably fish 3 times a week and practice twice.
I probably only practice distance properly occasionally, I spend more time messing about with presentation style casts. At some point I'll no doubt have a more focussed effort on distance, maybe I'll crack it then
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If it helps, the slower I cast the further I can

I cast such that 1 iota less power and the line falls to the floor

Slow and efficient is the way forward, and for years I have cast very fast and could get a full line out, slowing down has added another 10% to the distance and there is room for more improvement

Nice and lazy, makes the rod work and not you, diagnosis of poor technique is much easier in a controlled swish than going for power, which will come with less effort
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Old 17-05-2017, 06:37 AM
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I think I have noted a few issues at least:
1. Tracking how do I go about resolving this?
2. Angle of the haul, particularly the forward haul I think I should be hauling down as close to the the axis of the rod as possible - I think it is easier to haul on the back
3. Straightening the fly line on the back cast - problem is I struggle to look at it as it introduces tracking error.... but I know this is one of the issues which led to the tip of my line kicking out
4. Crisp stop, but when I try I get more tailing compared to allowing the rod tip to rotate more which suggests inadequate casting arc (may be even creeping noting point 3) - does that mean I should actually open up the loop a little more? I think this will lead to more wind resistant loops.

I know it is more practice needed but I need a little bit of an inspiration
1. Tracking . . .
You must remember the 180 degree rule. Any deviation from 180 degrees reduces the efficiency of the cast. When casting, pick the target you're casting at, turn through 180 degrees and pick a corresponding target for your back cast to aim for. For general tracking practice, find a football pitch and stand on a white line. Cast along the white line but allow your backcast to drop to the ground behind you . . . where is it in relation to the white line?

2. Angle of the haul . . .

Yes, usually out to the side on the back cast, down on the forward cast but be careful not to produce too extreme angles as the friction with the butt ring will be unhelpful

3/4. Straightening the fly line on the back cast . . .


If you're looking for distance you will need to open your stance . . . left foot forward if you're a right handed caster. Watching the direction and extension of your back cast is good. Anticipating the forward cast, 'creep' does effectively shorted the casting arc and can contribute to tailing loops. Think LEAPS . . . Casting a longer LINE requires a greater amount of ENERGY in the fly rod, a wider casting ARC, a longer PAUSE and a longer STROKE.
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This is a good one below as said although i would stand just slightly to the side of the white line so your arm goes straight up the line and comes straight back down it. Remember what i told you about pulling down on the forward stroke .If you pull down on the forward stroke(RINGING THE BELL ) instead of pushing you are always pulling the rod tip under the line HARD TO TAIL

You must remember the 180 degree rule. Any deviation from 180 degrees reduces the efficiency of the cast. When casting, pick the target you're casting at, turn through 180 degrees and pick a corresponding target for your back cast to aim for. For general tracking practice, find a football pitch and stand on a white line. Cast along the white line but allow your backcast to drop to the ground behind you . . . where is it in relation to the white line?
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Old 17-05-2017, 04:29 PM
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Thank you Nemo, Paul, Stewart for the suggestions. Agree with 180 rule. I am not sure it is easy to find a pitch and just use w/o permission. I use a 100ft tape measure and if I drop a back cast on the ground I can still see the relationship to the line. The vertical pulling for a short guy like me has limitations and it is actually possible to tail when you pull down and it is likely to be the combination of all the issues of arc, power, pause when it tails. I will need to find a style that allows a longer translation of the rod but also making sure the rotation is left to the end and keeping the pulling motion even when opening up the stance and this is where tracking becomes an issue. I will have to look at power application again as has been stated by Nemo. I get reminded constantly by the pros about that....

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