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Old 13-07-2013, 12:07 PM
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Can someone please tell me when is it best to use either roe deer hair or coastal deer hair?

Is roe better for spinning and coastal better for say DHE's?

have just tied up a couple of the DHE 2.0 by Hans W and they sank in the sink

I thought all deer hair was buoyant?

Also have some veniards black deer hair that's just labelled 'deer hair' not roe or coastal, so what type is it?

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Can someone please tell me when is it best to use either roe deer hair or coastal deer hair?

Is roe better for spinning and coastal better for say DHE's?

have just tied up a couple of the DHE 2.0 by Hans W and they sank in the sink

I thought all deer hair was buoyant?

Also have some veniards black deer hair that's just labelled 'deer hair' not roe or coastal, so what type is it?

confused.com

TIA

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Elk hair,light hooks

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Old 13-07-2013, 12:50 PM
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Elk hair,light hooks

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Thanks TT

Used Tyeechy barbless nickel size 14 but got some Hyabusa 384's to try.

What about the coastal and roe deer hairs?
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I almost exclusively use winter coat roe deer hair these days. I don't use many patterns with 'colour' but where I do I have some Veniards dyed hair from way back when. I also have some white/cream belly hair from fallow almost identical to coastal, plus main coat hair from Chinese and lots of muntjac hair. By far the most buoyant, is the Chinese Water deer, but needs gentle handling as it breaks easily. Fine once it is clipped short.
Maybe the weight of your dressing and hook is outdoing the floatation ability. Anything will sink if you put enough weight on it.

NOTE: Winter coat roe is far thicker than summer coat as it is with all deer other than muntjac which is fairly thin in comparison.
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I almost exclusively use winter coat roe deer hair these days. I don't use many patterns with 'colour' but where I do I have some Veniards dyed hair from way back when. I also have some white/cream belly hair from fallow almost identical to coastal, plus main coat hair from Chinese and lots of muntjac hair. By far the most buoyant, is the Chinese Water deer, but needs gentle handling as it breaks easily. Fine once it is clipped short.
Maybe the weight of your dressing and hook is outdoing the floatation ability. Anything will sink if you put enough weight on it.

NOTE: Winter coat roe is far thicker than summer coat as it is with all deer other than muntjac which is fairly thin in comparison.
Thanks Nev , which is your preferred brand of winter roe?
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Personally harvested It will be at least November to December before I have any more, preferably December/Jan. I have given so much away to you lot I'm running short
I don't buy any deer hair haven't for the past 40yrs, all of mine is personally harvested and I am now starting to have a crack at dying stuff as well with good results.
I have come to the impression that roe spins and packs the best and last year at the BFFI I got talking with a Pro tyer who had some Norwegian patterns with exquisitely, beautifully spun and packed salmon flies and I commended him on the quality. He produced a piece of winter roe deer pelt.
Mind, I notice that the muddler heads on almost all of the flies I see on here these days do not have 'packed' heads, they are far looser in their construction BUT Heh!! They obviously work which is what counts.
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Horses for courses It really depends on what you intend to use it for. There are many varieties, each with its own particular use and characteristics. Have a look here
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Nice link Arthur.
I have Chris Helm sending me some descriptions over that will be going on the website and we are working on doing soe patterns with deer hair for the site as well.
The easiest thing to do is buy the Nature's Spirit products as they have been selected for the different types of fly.
So you have Comparadun hair, Humpy hair etc etc.
For the UK i think for winging its hard to beat the Select Cow Elk from nature's Spirit or the Early Season Cow Elk which is a little shorter and finer.
For spinning the Deer belly they do or the spinning deer hair is superb and available in a range of colours.

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Thanks Nev , which is your preferred brand of winter roe?
forester_lodge does full roe skins on ebay you could try contacting him for a winter skin the darker the better if your tying muddlers with it.
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