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Forum: Salmon Fishing 13-11-2014, 02:32 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

The project was not driven by consumers, the benefits to them were incidental.

Clearly very little idea of what your talking about.

Did the consumer demand that or was it EU/Gov driven or...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 13-11-2014, 02:10 PM
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Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

On the wrong track again SF.

No response to my question though or have you not thought through your latest idea to pin the Wye's recovery on the consumer?
Forum: Salmon Fishing 13-11-2014, 01:00 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

How does the consumer drive it in this instance?

Lloyd loom to be precise.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 13-11-2014, 11:45 AM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

I love it when the bees in SF's bonnet get so irritating that we get another tangential shift of "thinking"'. This time, for everybody's sake, can we lock away the shotguns......

SF, the consumer...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 11-11-2014, 10:20 AM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Of course there was match funding, in the form of volunteer time to fin clip the fish and find, develop and manage the ponds. That can count against the financial costs to the tax payer of running...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 11-11-2014, 10:10 AM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

I thought there were no results? The experiment had been curtailed therefor there could be no results.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 10-11-2014, 07:14 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Consistency was never a strong point was it, SF? Last week you were quoting an exploitation rate of 5 or 6%, which would have given a run of over 20 salmon from the SNR project and the possible...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 09-11-2014, 02:52 PM
Replies: 3,554
Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

You are quire right to rank the dangers to salmon on the Wye. The danger from stocking is now removed - let's move on.

The dangers from angling or not fishing for salmon are there to be discussed...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 09-11-2014, 07:49 AM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Your continuing reference the Extinction Vortex theory to try and suggest that stocking should continue is not just missing the point, it's deliberately and dangerously disguising the point that you...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 09:33 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

It is too important to give up on. The sensible amongst us recognise that the "other team" will never give up but we do hope that the many onlookers might be able to appreciate the paucity of their...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 09:15 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

I appreciate that it is hard to type, let alone hold a rational thought with several badly shotgun damaged paws but SF even you have over-reached yourself in the nonsensical stakes with that post.
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Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 08:57 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Thank you for the straight answer of no which means that the stocked Tyne fish could have adversely affected the wild population and, without them, the Tyne might be doing even better.

No more...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 07:42 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

We accept it is (it is still ongoing after all) an experiment (I think I was one of those on this forum that christened it so) but was it not the WSA leader, Letton One who described himself as...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 05:48 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

SF, you have no evidence that there was more than one returning SNR fish so by the same logic we can discount the possibility of there being any others.

You might not like and have not denyed it...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 08-11-2014, 04:59 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

There you go again, ignoring the possibility of returning SNR fish mating with wild fish resulting in a loss equivalent to the production of 11.5 wild fish.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 07-11-2014, 07:48 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Well there we have it.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 07-11-2014, 05:25 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

My supposition was based on your exploitation rate, which gave a gross loss of wild fish caused by the SNR project of 11.5 pairs. How does that compare to just leaving the wild fish to get on with...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 07-11-2014, 04:34 PM
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Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Your post speaks volumes, SF and sums up the value of any input you have had and probably will have in discussions about the Wye let alone the SNR experiment.

As usual you present no evidence in...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 07-11-2014, 02:59 PM
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Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

I consider my post clear enough.

For once could you not obfuscate and answer the questions.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 07-11-2014, 02:12 PM
Replies: 3,554
Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

SF you seem to be suggesting that 1.5 salmon pairs have produced a run of about 20 salmon/grilse?

If it were so do you not have to look a little further forward and take into account the added...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 30-10-2014, 08:29 AM
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Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Yet WSA support WUF's habitat work and you avoid (deliberately?) the issue of over grazing?

Why keep sniping then, as once again WUF have developed the project and found the funding but have not...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 29-10-2014, 10:14 PM
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Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

But not keen to prevent over grazing and or over-shading of our rivers because it's "gardening" and will require ongoing maintenance. Which of course will be required on the Elan.

You push WUF to...
Forum: Salmon Fishing 29-10-2014, 09:51 PM
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Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

You've changed your tune. It would appear that you are quite happy to improve habitat when man's actions have degraded it.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 29-10-2014, 07:45 PM
Replies: 3,554
Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Such as on the Elan, a project you are particularly keen on.
Forum: Salmon Fishing 26-10-2014, 07:58 AM
Replies: 3,554
Views: 123,622
Posted By Cranefly
Re: Wye Discussion 2014

Well it's not contracting - increasing 5 year averages and trend line up not down.
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