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Old 07-08-2009, 07:20 PM
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Default Fly line braided loop to tapered knotless..?

Hi.
I'm sure this has been asked a hundred times, but can someone tell me the simplest & best way to attach a knotless tapered leader to the line which already has a braided loop in it?
Pics would also be nice.
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Old 07-08-2009, 07:28 PM
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Steve,
Most tapered leaders come with a loop. Place the leader loop through the loop on the fly line thn pull the leader through the 'leader loop'.
If there is now leader loop. thn make one using a perfection knot (www.netknots.com).
Others here use a simple half blood knot to the braided loop. I am not in favour of that.
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Old 07-08-2009, 07:34 PM
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Default Line to leader

I normally tie a Perfection Loop (Perfection Loop) in the tapered leader and do a loop-to-loop with the flyline.
I generally then use a small tippet ring on the other end of the leader to which I attach the rest of my tippet.


Sorry for the duplication, I'm a slow typist
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Steve,
Most tapered leaders come with a loop. Place the leader loop through the loop on the fly line thn pull the leader through the 'leader loop'.
If there is now leader loop. thn make one using a perfection knot (www.netknots.com).
Others here use a simple half blood knot to the braided loop. I am not in favour of that.
Thanks.
I remember my dad used to do it a bit differently.
What he did was get about 1/2 an inch of stripped flyline core, then 1/2 inch of "roughed-up" leader & attach these via a 1 & 1/2 inch length of braided mono.
He'd leave a small gap between leader & flyline trim all the loose braid down & then super glue both ends inside the braided mono.
Then he'd whip the bindings each end with tying silk & then use heavy duty varnish to make it nice & smooth.

I'm sure modern ways are better, but I never had any breakages with this old method.
I'm all for moving on
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:18 PM
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Can I just ask as an aside what you guys think about the needle knot connection vs loop to loop?
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Forgive, I don't want to start a row but I think you got your loops mixed up at one of steps you list.

I think it should be as follows:

place the braided loop through the leader loop and then take the point of the leader through the braided loop and pull the loops together.

its a subtle difference, but if you put the leader tip through the leader loop (rather than the braided loop) you end up with a knot which hinges. The correct way produces a joint which looks like a reef knot and transfers the energy of the line into the leader helping turnover.

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Steve,
Most tapered leaders come with a loop. Place the leader loop through the loop on the fly line thn pull the leader through the 'leader loop'.
If there is now leader loop. thn make one using a perfection knot (www.netknots.com).
Others here use a simple half blood knot to the braided loop. I am not in favour of that.
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Andrew is quite right. The best way to form the loop-to-loop connection is to feed the leader loop over the fly-line loop, then draw the leader through the fly-line loop.
This eliminates hingeing and ensures a better transfer of power.
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You've beaten me, I have just taken a pic of both ways and they are identical or have I lost the plot?
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Hi troutminded

there's 2 ways.... first the wrong way....

put the leader loop through the braided loop and then pot the end of the leader through the leader loop and pull through. as the leader tightens around the braided loop look at the shape of the knot.

the right way...

put the braided loop through the leader loop, now pass the end of the leader through the braided loop. again pull tight and watch the shape of the knot.

hope this helps... there is a real difference which you should be able to see.

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I've just tried it Andrew's way, and it does look alot better.
Thanx Dave
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