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    Quote Originally Posted by spudgun View Post
    The rspb have their own agenda, little old lady with fluffy the cat donate monies, so don't upset her.
    Type (scientific evidence that cats kill birds)
    Into Google and see possibly unbiased scientific evidence.
    I have not read them all but I've read enough to know that world wide cat, domestic and feral kill plenty of healthy birds.

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    Personally I don’t like cats, never have..

    But the RSPB approach sort of makes sense, doesn't it?
    If they alienate huge sections of society and their funding collapses how does that help anything?

    Large cat numbers are a largely ‘suburban’ problem... for lots of the most drastically declined farmland birds there is undoubtedly an effect from cats but it’s minor compared to other issues.

    But if people feel so strongly that there needs to be a different approach and change in law... get off your arses, stop bleating about it and make it happen...

    Alternatively you could just throw stones from the sidelines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudgun View Post
    The rspb have their own agenda, little old lady with fluffy the cat donate monies, so don't upset her.
    Type (scientific evidence that cats kill birds)
    Into Google and see possibly unbiased scientific evidence.
    I have not read them all but I've read enough to know that world wide cat, domestic and feral kill plenty of healthy birds.

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    There's no need to Google 'Scientific evidence that cats kill birds' - It's a fact we're all aware of.......
    Blaming cats as the sole reason for the overall decline in the UK's bird population is not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m r roid View Post
    There's no need to Google 'Scientific evidence that cats kill birds' - It's a fact we're all aware of.......
    Blaming cats as the sole reason for the overall decline in the UK's bird population is not the case.
    Quite correct. Anyone who believes that cats are the major reason for the bird decline in the UK needs to put their keyboards away and get outside and take a look at how bird’s major food groups have also declined in the past 30 years. Co-incidence?
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    But the RspB protects the Bonxies on Orkney, despite the Decline of the hen Harrier there,we watched a Bonxie take 6 mallard Ducklings in as many minutes,yet they are protected, our local laird told the RSPB to stay the hell away from his land,they interfere far too much, easker1

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    I have long held the view that the RSPB is not fit for purpose. To remind everyone, the name is "Royal Society for the Protection of Birds."

    This is the body Gov't turns to when they needs advice on bird matters. A few weeks ago they announced that they had recently completed their annual survey of the more common birds that frequented peoples' gardens. Members and ordinary people were asked to count the number of birds in their gardens.

    An RSPB official then announced on TV that this was the 40th year of this survey and when asked what the results were stated that for the last 30 years there had been a steady decline in bird numbers and species counted in the survey. The interviewer asked for a reason and RSPB stated that it was principally down to habitat degradation.

    For 30 years the body that has set itself up to care for our birds, and in the process rakes in millions in subscriptions and donations, has sat on its collective a*re and watched our common garden birds decline almost to point of extinction and had done diddly squat about it.

    Just this February a local farmer cut down half a mile of hedgerow near my home under the guise of "hedge trimming" which he will get payment for doing from Defra. When I say "cut down" I mean just that 20 and 30' trees hacked down to stumps 3' high. That hedge was home to numerous song birds among them at least two pairs of Yellow Hammers which are certainly not common.There are very few birds along that hedgerow now

    When I wrote to our village magazine to complain about this the reply was that "hedge trimming" was in accordance with RSPB advice regarding the time of year to carry it out. It may well have been in accordance with RSPB advice to trim the hedges in February, but not even that organisation could countenance what has been done as mere trimming.

    I have tried to get someone from any of the various organisations to take note, and to come and see what has been done but to no avail.

    The cure for all this? Remove all Defra payments from farmers and only permit the allocation of funds for specific purposes under licence and only then if ameliorative measures are put in place, ie "You want to trim 500 metres of hedge row, so you plant new trees as well and plant 500 metres of grass strips with wild flower seeds."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3lbgrayling View Post
    You can bet your last Penny,that if it were proven that some manmade item killed 27MILLION birds a year.The RSPB Would raise bloody hell and be at the door of Parliament wanting it stopped Imediately.

    Jim

    PS i'm an advocate of the Austalian system.Where if I have heard correctly.if a cat or dog are found out on their own.after 9pm they are shot by trained marksmen who patrol for just such eventuality
    Why's that?
    Do cats only kill birds in Australia after 9:00pm.....
    No, the reason for the 'cat curfew' is they're a totally alien species in Australia. Their introduction has probably done more harm to indigenous species of mammals in Australia than it has to the bird population 'down under'
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    A farmer on Orkney had Dotterel as regular visitors, The RSPB asked if the could monitor them, there were up to 20 plus pairs until the raspberries ( rspb) started, and when the birds dropped to 9 pairs he told the so& sos to leave, the RSPB is not well liked on Orkney, easker1

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    In reply to some on this thread.I do not think anybody is sngularly blaming cats for the demise of our birds.but If you can eliminate 27 MILLION casualties,that are attributed to cats,that would be a very good start.

    Jim
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    There's no doubt that cats kill millions of small birds but the demise of many species is down to habitat degradation and changes in farming practices. I strongly recommend that those with iPlayer watch "Iolo: Saving the Land of the Wild" shown on BBC One Wales tonight at 5pm. You will see strong evidence of reasons for the decline of several species of wildlife in Wales including birds and fish.
    “There is no more lovely country than Monmouthshire in early spring. Nowhere do the larks sing quite so passionately, as if somehow inspired by the Welsh themselves. There is a blackbird on every thorn and a cock chaffinch, a twink as they call him there, on every bush...... It moved me profoundly. I had been spared to see another spring, and I thank God for it.”

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    I'm not commenting on this thread to knock the RSPB, they do a lot of good work and although it's clear that their page on cats is more about placating self-deluding cat owners ( look what Marmaduke brought in today darling ... ) I do broadly support them. My issue is responsible pet ownership and I think that some hard hitting criticism from respected conservation organisations regarding the impact of pets on wildlife is long overdue.
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