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    I've bought a few furled leaders from Jim Williams at furledleaders.co.uk and had a few casts with them on the lawn this morning. I was using a 36'' leader and 6.5 ft of 6x tippet. I found that when I cast the leader turned over perfectly but the last 2.5-3 ft of the tippet didn't, so the fly was landing c. 5.5 to 6ft from the end of the line and not following a straight line from the leader.
    I know that when river fishing a completely turned over tippet is not desirable due to drag issues but it was impossible to accurately predict where the fly was going to land - it seemed to just drift downwards once the leader had turned over.
    I tried shortening the tippet to around five feet and this resolved the problem somewhat and I also tried casting more downward, which turned over the leader but presentation was pretty forceful.
    Anyone got any experience with casting these?
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    Steve
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    I use them a lot for dry fly on stillwater and find just the opposite great turnover and accuracy but I am using a 7wt, try a firmer stop on the forward cast ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve101
    I've bought a few furled leaders from Jim Williams at furledleaders.co.uk and had a few casts with them on the lawn this morning. I was using a 36'' leader and 6.5 ft of 6x tippet. I found that when I cast the leader turned over perfectly but the last 2.5-3 ft of the tippet didn't, so the fly was landing c. 5.5 to 6ft from the end of the line and not following a straight line from the leader.
    I use Jim Williams leaders and can't say I've had any problems with them.
    What size/type of fly were you trying to cast?
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    I was using a size 14 dry. It may well be a problem with my technique but I'm wondering is it due to using very fine tippet. What length/size tippet would you use generally?

    Steve
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    If it's of any help, Jim uses "Stroft" for his tippets, perhaps if you join another make/type onto his leaders that may impare turnover. I know Jim tried virtually every monofil on the market before settling on Stroft.

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    The general rule for calculating tippet size used to be to divide the fly size by 3. I don't think is is widely used now, and many anglers seem to use a 5x tippet for everything from a #12 to an #18, only dropping down for micro flies.

    A lot depends on your casting and conditions on the day, but if you're having problems I'd be inclined to up the tippet to a 4x if you intend to use a level tippet.
    If the fish seem particularly gut shy then rather than cut down the tippet length too drastically I'd suggest about 3' 6" of 4x knotted to the furled leader, then a 2' or longer section of 6x at the business end.
    If you're casting particularly bulky flies then in my experience it's often necessary to up the tippet size from the standard.
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    I was wondering about tapering from the furled leader to the fly. I'll give that a shot.
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    steve
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    I'm no expert caster [ask anyone who's seen me ] but turnover is one thing that even I have no problem with when using a furled leaded. I've used leaders from Jim Williams and Rod Dibble [Rod3] and no matter what other casting faults I have, turnover is never a problem.

    My initial thoughts are that a 6' 6" 6x straight tippet on a 3' leader is probably too much. For stream / small river fishing I use a 4' furled leader with 3' to 4' level tippet and this seems to transmit the power from fly line, through tippet to fly just fine. Can I ask why you chose such a short furled leader?
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    I got Jim to make me a couple of 5' steep tapered leaders specifically for nymphing on Austrian rivers. I match them up with 8' of 4lb fluorocarbon and two leaded or tungsten bugs. No problems with turnover. I use a 10' 4 weight rod and a WF4 line.

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    Have you thought of contacting Jim ? he should be able to work out where the problem is and offer advice on how to rectify it.

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