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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    This is not a casting substance thing, its a tiny subtle movement that sharpens or softens the way the tip reacts, its very possible that it comes from the rotation and reposition of the wrist rather than the position of the rings at that moment, but the fact that in making the same movement i feel or see no difference with some rods and do with others makes me assume its the rod.
    Well on paper if you spine there is a difference. Maybe with your HLS when you tilt your wrist to the right the rod recovers slower (properly spined) or faster (guides put on the straightest axis).. But you have to be one hell of a casting machine to notice or see that.. I'm not saying you don't, i can however tell you in all the rods i built for myself, i just twice noticed a difference. Funny that in both cases it involved a sage One, a 905 and 904 i had to rebuild both because i finished them (like sage does) on the straightest axis..

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    You are talking about the HLS aren't you Alan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchy1978 View Post
    Well on paper if you spine there is a difference. Maybe with your HLS when you tilt your wrist to the right the rod recovers slower (properly spined) or faster (guides put on the straightest axis).. But you have to be one hell of a casting machine to notice or see that.. I'm not saying you don't, i can however tell you in all the rods i built for myself, i just twice noticed a difference. Funny that in both cases it involved a sage One, a 905 and 904 i had to rebuild both because i finished them (like sage does) on the straightest axis..

    J

    You are talking about the HLS aren't you Alan?
    the spine thing sounds about right, if i didn't notice it this thread must be a dream

    its the MLS rather than the HLS, the Sage one i would expect to feel the axis, they made them to track straight so you would expect to feel it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    This is not a casting substance thing, its a tiny subtle movement that sharpens or softens the way the tip reacts, its very possible that it comes from the rotation and reposition of the wrist rather than the position of the rings at that moment, but the fact that in making the same movement i feel or see no difference with some rods and do with others makes me assume its the rod.
    Alan, I have a theory.
    I think we tend to just accept what people say,people who we assume are some sort of Expert's,you know people who write books etc.
    I think we should question them more or better still get out and try things.
    I don't think much has changed in casting since Santa had stubble,words and phrases do but the fundamentals remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    the spine thing sounds about right, if i didn't notice it this thread must be a dream

    its the MLS rather than the HLS, the Sage one i would expect to feel the axis, they made them to track straight so you would expect to feel it.
    I dont know the MLS, but if you can feel or see that you either have a, one off, freak rod or you have a great feel and understanding about the way a fly rod loads and unloads..

    And yes i know they made the one to track, better hope sage spines there rods..

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_mcg View Post
    Alan, I have a theory.
    I think we tend to just accept what people say,people who we assume are some sort of Expert's,you know people who write books etc.
    I think we should question them more or better still get out and try things.
    I don't think much has changed in casting since Santa had stubble,words and phrases do but the fundamentals remain the same.
    I am meeting Craig up at Auchenstarry on Wednesday night,Join us we can write a book.

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    i think you know i don't accept what anyone says

    we should question more, should that not include challenging fundamentals too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    should that not include challenging fundamentals too?
    challenge away

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchy1978 View Post
    I dont know the MLS, but if you can feel or see that you either have a, one off, freak rod or you have a great feel and understanding about the way a fly rod loads and unloads..
    i like the sound of great feel and understanding but think its just that i cast it quite a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_mcg View Post
    challenge away

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    i don't claim to know any answers Brian, its just something i noticed, a small subtle thing that makes no difference to the world of casting, i wish i had never mentioned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    a small subtle thing that makes no difference to the world of casting
    That what they said about the Double Haul

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian_mcg View Post
    That what they said about the Double Haul
    Did Marvin Hedge have instructors say he was doing it wrong

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    What about this then ? Perhaps this will shed light on why some rods soften up at 90 deg and some don't?

    Fishing rod spines, splines and guides | Freestone Bamboo (split cane) Rod Fishing


    Also quite interesting, if you like that sort of thing, and I think quite relevant to the discussion.

    http://www.rodbuilding.org/library/blankstrength.pdf

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