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    Quote Originally Posted by speytime View Post
    Maybe you could shed some light on something I've noticed James, when casting a line double and single handed rods they don't really come to life/load as well until there's a foot or two of running line outside the eye, I've noticed it with long and short head lines with double and single handers.

    Thanks Al
    I do quite a lot of my practice (single and double handed) with shooting-head lines - the main advantage to this is that I don't wear out expensive lines. You also get a really good feedback into your hauls when double hauling a single handed rod. One of the first things I'd advise someone to do who is wanting to progress in distance casting is to make up some shooting heads from old fly lines, they should be made to the length that the caster is comfortable with aerialising outside of the tip.

    When a caster stops the rod at the end of the forward cast the rod usually goes from a bent backwards position to a bent forwards position - what we refer to as counterflex. During these brief moments the initial shape of the loop is formed. If you imagine casting a shooting head with no overhang, i.e. the transition from the head to the running line is right in the tip ring, then as the rod counterflexes it pulls some of the heavy line down into what becomes the rod-leg of the loop. The rest of the fly line (in the fly-leg of the loop) is still propelled towards the target but it's having to lift the line that's in the rod leg.

    If you now think about a cast with plenty of overhang. The loop forms in exactly the same way, but this time you only have the light weight running line that is pulled downwards into the rod-leg, and all the heavier head is propelled towards the target in the fly-leg. As such, the fly-leg has a much easier job of lifting the rod-leg because the rod-leg is so much lighter, i.e. made up of running line. Consequentially, this arrangement will result in a tighter, more efficient loop which seems to fly out better, but with no more effort than the cast with zero overhang.

    Tuning the overhang for the weather conditions on the day is crucial for winning competitions and is something I'll change for pretty much every one of my casts within the specified competition time - hoping to find the perfect amount.

    Hope that makes sense.

    James.
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    Yes James that makes sense to me thanks very much for explaining it I couldn't get my head around why it was happening, I was actually a bit hesitant to ask thinking this doesn't make sense is it my imagination ��

    Many thanks Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by James9118 View Post

    Tuning the overhang for the weather conditions on the day is crucial for winning competitions and is something I'll change for pretty much every one of my casts within the specified competition time - hoping to find the perfect amount.

    Hope that makes sense.

    James.
    Sorry James I don't want to bore you with questions but can you give me a example of changing the overhang for conditions on the day?
    I expected you would find the sweet spot and stuck with it regardless.

    Thanks Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by speytime View Post
    Sorry James I don't want to bore you with questions but can you give me a example of changing the overhang for conditions on the day?
    I expected you would find the sweet spot and stuck with it regardless.

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    Hi Al,

    Sorry for the delayed response, I've only just seen this.

    I think we all know the consequences of having too much overhang - things tend to get a bit messy. For distance competitors this is also true, however they are much more used to handling lots of overhang (and big line carries) so their idea of it getting 'messy' is much more subtle than for most casters. When I cast with too much overhang the first indication is that I start to see small ripples in the fly leg. I believe that these ripples ultimately cut down the distance achieved.

    If I want a smooth cast then I cut down on the overhang, hence the ripples. Unfortunately this also doesn't achieve the very best distance because, although the loop is clean, it turns over too fast.

    So the best distance cast lies somewhere in between. On a very still day I'll tend to favour very little in the way of overhang and as the wind picks up I'll increase it. That said, if it gets very, very windy then I think my best distances will be achieved once again from a shorter overhang. With that all said, there are no hard and fast rules, and sometimes I surprise myself with what overhang works on any specific day.

    As such, I think it's best to approach a distance casting comp with a plan. E.g. For the first couple of casts use a small overhang, this gives you a 'banker' with a smooth loop. Then extend it for a couple. Then push it to the maximum you can handle on the day. Then for the last few casts try and hone in on where you felt the best results came from. Unfortunately the best overhang can vary with the small changes in the gusts of wind - this is why I'd always say to vary it during your competition time.

    Incidentally, some of the ones where you've pushed it to the maximum are going to fail badly. You have to get over the embarrassment of making such a mess in front of people who are watching but might not know what you're doing

    Cheers, James.
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    Mike Marshall's #7 weight distance record has stood for a very long time - however it has now been beaten, by me Mike's old record was in place before I'd even heard of the BFCC or knew that competitive casting was a 'thing'. I first beat his distance in practice over a decade ago, but it's taken me until now to better it in an official BFCC competition. My new record is 146ft 6in

    At the last event there were a number of age class records broken as well, all from one World Championship team member who has had a big birthday recently.

    Tracy also extended some of her records, the one she was most pleased with was taking the women's salmon overhead distance to 175ft.

    There are two more BFCC comp/tuition days left on this year's calendar - Essex and Yorkshire.

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    Congratulations James well done!

    Al

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    Hi James,
    When and where is the Yorkshire meeting? I can't find it in the calendar.
    Cheers,
    Angus

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    Hi Angus,

    The event is planned for Marina Gibson's Northern Fly Fishing School on the 16th of November. I'll be posting the full details shortly on the website.

    Thanks, Tracy

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    North Yorkshire in mid November is chancing it a bit, weather-wise. Fingers crossed.
    Angus

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    Quote Originally Posted by t and t View Post
    Hi Angus,

    The event is planned for Marina Gibson's Northern Fly Fishing School on the 16th of November. I'll be posting the full details shortly on the website.

    Thanks, Tracy
    Congratulations to you too Tracey well done, 175ft I can hardly see that far ��

    Al

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