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Old 01-08-2017, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: Interesting revelation casting in the wind

The only time I have noticed a real difference with line speed or line diameter is with a silk line, they zip through wind but I can't give a line weight for those I have tried, my guess is heavier.

I don't think there is much by way of less wind resistance with a thinner line, nor line speed, which you can provide with any weight of line, I would tend to go heavier in wind, get the rod bending earlier and keep it smooth and continuous to keep the line in constant tension, the heavier line gives a bit of stability, as does a continually bent rod, which I'd say is more useful than less wind resistance, put simply just keep it moving.
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Old 01-08-2017, 07:11 PM
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The only time I have noticed a real difference with line speed or line diameter is with a silk line, they zip through wind but I can't give a line weight for those I have tried, my guess is heavier.

I don't think there is much by way of less wind resistance with a thinner line, nor line speed, which you can provide with any weight of line, I would tend to go heavier in wind, get the rod bending earlier and keep it smooth and continuous to keep the line in constant tension, the heavier line gives a bit of stability, as does a continually bent rod, which I'd say is more useful than less wind resistance, put simply just keep it moving.
Best wind beating combo I have is a B111X 9' #4 with a #4 Cadno dt silk line.
But as Stewart points out above .....getting a line to do something is one thing , getting the leader and fly to do the same is an other thing entirely.

I really thought the Cadno would have suited my B11T better than the faster rod.
It didn't.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:49 PM
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I must be doing it wrong on the Usk with my 3# small stream as I've had what I and another angler thought was a decent cast, picked up mid flight and trounced by a gust of wind which landed the line in a heap almost at my feet. Ok it was very windy and we laughed about it at the time as it was amusing but that's fishing for you.

There's windy and then there's windy and in many cases you're better off dumping the 3# and fishing a 5#
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From my perspective wind is both a problem and an opportunity. Gusting wind which changes direction as well as speed is a problem. Daveb's scenario. What happens does, however, give us a clue on the opportunity.

Let's say the wind is gusting about. A decent looking delivery cast is on its way and suddenly the wind gets up, grabs the line and it all turns to brown (no pun intended Alan). The cast goes straight(ish) then gets hit at an angle and as the energy dies the line gets swept away into spaghetti land. What we are seeing is basically the result of increased drag - air resistance. Drag is the square of velocity (in simple terms you bloody engineers) meaning twice the line speed produces four times the drag.

When we cast into and/or slightly across a steady opposing wind we can a) compensate for the increased resistance by adding force to maintain speed and b) reduce drag by reducing the amount of surface area of the line presented to the air. It's a stress test for tracking, line tension and loop shape. That's the opportunity.

Same sort of thing happens in golf. Hitting into the wind any fault that creates a slice or hook will be exaggerated and the heavier the wind the greater the exaggeration. Fluky gusts produce similarly maddening results.

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Old 02-08-2017, 12:00 PM
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I agree.... a consistent wind is generally fine to deal with, but generally speaking it tends to gust, which in tight confines with a short length of line out the rod tip can be a real pain.
Alternatively on a decent sized open river where you can cast 25-30' line I don't find it usually a problem- I fish a stretch on the Frome that I really enjoy on windy days- 30' wide river, nice and open banks, casting isn't a problem and you generally have the place to yourself as everyone stays away on real windy days.
But, related to my opening post- I wouldn't be using my 8' cult
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Hi,why don't you use the Belgian Cast....Is the best way to beat the wind...
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Old 11-08-2017, 10:43 PM
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Best way to cast all the time I'd say, constant line tension
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Hi,why don't you use the Belgian Cast....Is the best way to beat the wind...
Hey cap....
My post wasn't really about problems with casting in the wind, more an observation that I was surprised that my slow actioned cult seemed to cast better in the wind underlined by one weight... seemed slightly counterintuitive
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Old 11-08-2017, 10:58 PM
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constant line tension
One for another thread I think.
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One for another thread I think.
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