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Old 29-07-2017, 04:22 PM
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Default Interesting revelation casting in the wind

Revelation may be pushing it

I've had a vision cult 8' 4w that I rarely use these days as I find it a bit slow and more importantly pretty poor when the wind picks up, anything above 15 mph and I really don't like it.

Anyhow up at my Dads for the weekend, no fishing, so playing around casting on the lawn.
Wind gusting to 20-25 mph, so played around with my usual 4 w for an hour or so.

Then strung up the cult using a barrio gt90 (I really don't like it with an over weight line, couldn't stand a gold on it).... and as always found it hard work in the wind, if you start to try and generate decent line speed with a haul the rod buckles.

So, strung it up with a barrio small stream 3w line and wow... I could suddenly really push it into the wind, casting 40' straight into the wind suddenly became easy.

A normal overhead cast still wasn't great, but if I side cast with strong hauls it felt like a new rod.

Generally people tend to talk about going up a line weight with strong winds, but the cult really doesn't cope with anything slightly above it's recommended weight and has never really liked being aggressively hauled (in it's defence it's not designed to)

So... not being an 'expert' on lines/weights/tapers I was trying to work out what's going on..
I Wonder whether the design of the barrio small stream and it's front taper lends itself to loading the rod quickly and being a weight under allows for hauling without 'collapsing' the rod?

Does that make sense?

Anyhow, I'll have to take the cult out fishing a few times and see if I can fall in love with it again using the barrio 3w.
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Old 29-07-2017, 04:46 PM
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Matt I found the small streams and Loop Evotec 85 very good in the wind. I believe because the weight is there to load the rod with minimum line out, the trailing line has little option but to follow the head which cuts though the wind.

I don't think it's as delicate or refined as the Mallard or a Cortland 444 but it is designed to load quickly and it does it's job very well. I also found it easy to cast quite long without too much effort by just letting the rod do the work.

I also found the small stream to be a decent line for throwing a streamer.
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Old 29-07-2017, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: Interesting revelation casting in the wind

Yeah definitely a good line for close in work, I've usually used it with a little 6' butterstick.
A real eye opener being able to haul hard with the cult, definitely a mix of the right line and being a line weight lower than usual for the rod. I've never even come close to generating that much line speed with the cult before, be interesting to see how easy it is to fish it like that.... a fun way to spend an hour in the garden.
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Old 29-07-2017, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: Interesting revelation casting in the wind

Lefty wrote about this donkeys ago, but as you indicate it's not really practiced, most people following conventional wisdom and going heavier.
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Lefty wrote about this donkeys ago, but as you indicate it's not really practiced, most people following conventional wisdom and going heavier.
Well if nothing else that shows there's two ways to skin a cat..

Lefty... one of the greats of fly fishing and casting, with 60 plus years experience knows what he's talking about

Me.... bumbling idiot, messing around casting to kill time in his Dad's garden...

I must make more time for bumbling about
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Default Re: Interesting revelation casting in the wind

Good observation. In my experience, the small stream has a front loaded taper which allows you to shoot earlier than the GT 90. In normal conditions I carry more line on the GT 90 to get the distance but the wind will play havoc with a long carry.
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Well if nothing else that shows there's two ways to skin a cat..

Lefty... one of the greats of fly fishing and casting, with 60 plus years experience knows what he's talking about

Me.... bumbling idiot, messing around casting to kill time in his Dad's garden...

I must make more time for bumbling about
Not enough messing around by bumbling idiots IMHO. Let's start a movement!

Meanwhile it will annoy me not to be able to reference this exactly, so I'll have to go and look it up.
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Default Re: Interesting revelation casting in the wind

I'm guessing here, but are you simply generating more line speed with the lighter line? That might account for it.
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Hey Angus
Yeah it must be predominantly the line weight down, I think the taper of the small stream helps as well.
With the correct line weight it's very hard to haul the cult 'agressively' at the end of the stroke without the rod collapsing, It's just not designed for that type of fishing. I think the lighter line enables a strong haul and helps generate a line speed that just isn't possible normally with the cult.
Or at the very least the lighter line allows me to generate a line speed that I'm unable to do with the cult normally.... others may find a true to weight line fine?

Basically it felt like it allowed me to cast it somewhat closer to a style I would use with a faster rod.
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Opposite of overlining a rod
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