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    Quote Originally Posted by andygrey View Post
    It's very difficult to diagnose casting faults without actually seeing them. Can you get someone to video you casting and post?
    In the words of the late great Lefty Kreh 'Most fishermen use a double-haul to throw their casting faults further'
    That’s a great quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangled View Post
    I hardly ever need to double haul but lately Ive needed to. Ive lost the mojo. The haul works and the line flies but the leader lands in a pile with a good few feet of fly line ahead of the leader. To say that the line is not turning over is a massive understatement.

    Any obvious faults to look out for?
    Is the running line left lose at your feet at the end of the cast, or is it coming up slapping the rod?

    Al

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    worth a watch..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boisker View Post
    But you are replying to his post, with a pointless answer
    I'm replying to help others regarding the double haul, Tangled has already had why the line drops in a heap explained to him
    There are two basic fly designs, those designed to catch fish and those designed to catch fishermen, the latter being the best seller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_B View Post
    I'm replying to help others regarding the double haul, Tangled has already had why the line drops in a heap explained to him
    What post number Paul, I've been keeping up with the understanding mono (I thought) but I've missed that?

    Cheers Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangled View Post
    I hardly ever need to double haul but lately I’ve needed to. Ive lost the mojo. The haul works and the line flies but the leader lands in a pile with a good few feet of fly line ahead of the leader. To say that the line is not turning over is a massive understatement.

    Any obvious faults to look out for?
    I wouldn't generally relate poor turn over with hauling, but..if your haul is late enough ie. starting as the rod passes vertical, then turn over should be pretty zippy.

    Start later and haul longer, see how that goes, it could just be that the loop need more line tension.

    How long and what make up is the leader?

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    Default Double Issue

    Address the first problem first, rather than add a single or double haul to it.

    Why has your casting lost its mojo?

    Go back to basics, ensure that your rod arm has a definite stop at the back and at delivery.

    Ensure the rod tip tracks parallel to the ground, throughout the stroke (not an ark - down, up, down).

    Only when your basic cast is simple effective and effortless is it worth adding any hauls, or fancy stuff - aerial mends, rolls etc.

    Shorten amount of line out. And consider trying a line 1 size heavier - it will amplify the good and bad feeling casts, and help you to hone in to a good stroke groove.

    What make and weight of line are you using? And how far are you trying to cast, before it all turns to custard?

    If you are using a flyline designed for delicate presentation, often they have very long forward tapers - these can run out of energy without sufficient good technique, or line speed and too long a leader.
    Last edited by LukeNZ; 10-11-2019 at 09:52 PM.

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    Thanks all. To answer several people in one post

    My single haul casting works fine
    I have been successfully using a double haul previously. Though as I say, I've rarely needed to use it. I just seem to have temporarily have broken it.
    I wasn't casting into the wind - I just needed an extra few yards in a particular situation.
    The double haul cast flew out and felt fine but the leader did not turn over at all.
    I tried stopping the line in my left hand to force a turnover and I tried letting it just go
    There's something wrong in the timing I think, I'll have to get a lesson if I can't fix it myself.
    I'm wondering now whether I wasn't stopping the rod properly at the end of the forward stroke - a bad habit I used to have when normal casting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangled View Post
    Thanks all. To answer several people in one post

    My single haul casting works fine
    I have been successfully using a double haul previously. Though as I say, I've rarely needed to use it. I just seem to have temporarily have broken it.
    I wasn't casting into the wind - I just needed an extra few yards in a particular situation.
    The double haul cast flew out and felt fine but the leader did not turn over at all.
    I tried stopping the line in my left hand to force a turnover and I tried letting it just go
    There's something wrong in the timing I think, I'll have to get a lesson if I can't fix it myself.
    I'm wondering now whether I wasn't stopping the rod properly at the end of the forward stroke - a bad habit I used to have when normal casting.
    When you say your 'single haul', is this on the backcast only? A lot of people 'haul' on their backcast by keeping the line-hand virtually static whilst stroking the rod backwards. This isn't really a true haul and increases rod-loading more then adding actual line-speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangled View Post


    The double haul cast flew out and felt fine but the leader did not turn over at all.
    This could have more to do with your leader than the haul or it's possible that there is too much energy in the line causing the leader to recoil back.
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