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    Default Why C&R is eendangering fishing-case of hucho

    A video about huge hucho cought and why mandatory C&R is endangering an acceptability of fishing in Slovenia. Many anglers in Slovenia are not aware that there is a growing sentiment against anglers, also among people, who can really influence fishing and fishing rules.


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    Default Re: Why C&R is eendangering fishing-case of hucho

    these very productive 150m seems like unnatural accumulation of huge most likely artificial /hatchery/ fish

    Other trout rivers in Slovenia are regulated in a way they have both c & r and c & kill sections/rules. To me c & r makes sense only if you value the natural native born in the river fish and you aim to keep them natural with no stocking of hatchery fish. The argument that a water is holding only a few natural fish and needs stocking - more artificial fish - is not good enough for the natural fish. It is not a moral issue that c& r is morally superior to c & kill its just a management tool to keep natural fish natural when the fish numbers are low either because of overfishing, fishing pressure or because of natural reasons - say the water itself doesnt have the food base to grow bigger numbers of fish. Usually this goes in cycles when a water is left by itself , the mother Nature takes care - you may have many small and medium fish next only bigger fish survive and than the cycles starts again with many small and medium size fish. I agree that c & r for artificial hatchery born fish doesnt make sense. The real problem is losing fish habitat for other activities. If all the huchos are artificially hatchery born fish c & r make no sense c & kill is not a problem and the water turns into a put and take fishery. To me keep it real means keep it natural.
    Wise indeed was George Selwyn Marryat when he said: "its not the fly; its the driver"
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    Those 150m are just two parts of the river joining and there is no big hatchery fish here as huchos that are stocked once a year at a different location and at maximum 50cm long. With a growth rate of roughly 10cm per year till they reach 1m, you can calculate how long do they have to be in a riveer if they start between 25 and 50. Btw this hucho was a wild fish. And a male. Thee point is very simple, you do not need C&R to succesfully manage fish populations and if fish populations are not capable of sustaining losses due to fishing, which are by far teh smallest losses that a population suffers in a year, fishing should not be allowed.
    Last edited by BlueOne; 11-12-2018 at 09:08 PM.

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    So you cant say if it is a planted fush or a natural one? I agree c & r is not needed for planted fush. When you kill too many planted fish you just go to the hatchery and put some more artificial fush in the river - balance restored... If you want to keep natural fish born in the river planted by God himself thats when c & r makes sense otherwise when you want to plant artificial fush born in a hatchery its only to please the tourists who want to hook any easy fish.
    Wise indeed was George Selwyn Marryat when he said: "its not the fly; its the driver"
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    If you want to fish in rivers full of stocked fish, thrown in so that anglers can drag out huge numbers, so be it, but it has zero appeal to me. Survival rates for C&R fish has been shown to be very species specific and dependent on lots of factors including the method used, conditions at the time and how the fish is handled. The guy in the videos arguments are far from compelling and his handling of the fish is poor.

    I like to fish for natural wild fish in a sustainable habitat. I release 99% of everything I catch and believe they survive. My opinion is based more on conservation arguments than ethics (trying to take too high a moral position in this type of discussion is always difficult as the only conclusion is not to fish at all). I appreciate that C&R is controversial, but I'm unlikely to change my view and certainly not for the type of river fishing I do.
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    Default Re: Why C&R is eendangering fishing-case of hucho

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueOne View Post
    and if fish populations are not capable of sustaining losses due to fishing, which are by far teh smallest losses that a population suffers in a year, fishing should not be allowed.
    In the last 5-6 seasons over here we have flexible rules for that matter. Someone in charge decides that fish numbers are low on certain river and they ban fishing for 3 seasons. After that period fishing is allowed again on strictly c & r basis. Its my personal believe that banning fishing on the low numbers basis didnt work in a meaninful way. Most anglers just like to hook fish and when they dont see action they just stay home or go other places which is ok for the fish. I even dont believe in closed season ban for trout as long as you have c & r rules . Over here we have brown trout closed season along with mandatory c& r on 30 trout streams/ rivers.
    Last edited by nymphist; 12-12-2018 at 08:32 AM.
    Wise indeed was George Selwyn Marryat when he said: "its not the fly; its the driver"
    page 193, GEM Skues,The Way Of A Trout With A Fly

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    Default Re: Why C&R is eendangering fishing-case of hucho

    Slovenia is a bit different, it always had a good water managing system and there was no need for C&R, but it was introduced as basically a commeercial measure.I was a C&R angler but no longer am. It is just about maximising profits on stockies.

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