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Old 16-04-2017, 07:46 PM
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I actually agree we're part of the problem when it comes to global pollution, however the management of slurry is such a basic responsibility. This should not be happening, just as the numerous sheep dip pollution incidents should never happen, if the right practices are followed.

I take issue with the idea that anglers are not real conservationists. All conservationists have a favourite species or two that got them interested in wildlife and ecology in general. I have campaigned over numerous subjects, some fish related, many not - palm oil and the destruction of virgins rainforest for its production, 3rd world debt - you name it... I and many other anglers have been there. If we have a soft spot for river ecology (invertebrates, plants, birds and fish) then that's just like my acquaintance who is obsessed with ferns, or cousin who is a fanatic about butterflies. They also have a wide range of interests, but they do know a lot more about their specialist subject, and in this regard they add value to the area of conservation as a whole. We can all draw from these collective skills and knowledge.
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I actually agree we're part of the problem when it comes to global pollution, however the management of slurry is such a basic responsibility. This should not be happening, just as the numerous sheep dip pollution incidents should never happen, if the right practices are followed.

I take issue with the idea that anglers are not real conservationists. All conservationists have a favourite species or two that got them interested in wildlife and ecology in general. I have campaigned over numerous subjects, some fish related, many not - palm oil and the destruction of virgins rainforest for its production, 3rd world debt - you name it... I and many other anglers have been there. If we have a soft spot for river ecology (invertebrates, plants, birds and fish) then that's just like my acquaintance who is obsessed with ferns, or cousin who is a fanatic about butterflies. They also have a wide range of interests, but they do know a lot more about their specialist subject, and in this regard they add value to the area of conservation as a whole. We can all draw from these collective skills and knowledge.
You do have a good point.

I'm interested in hawks and falcons and have next to zero interest in other birds.

But in a way, the difference with anglers is that we actually want to catch things. Whether that really matters I'm not sure. But it DOES sometimes lead to us altering the environment to suit ourselves.

See the southern chalkstreams. On one 'famous' (where Skues fished) place on the Itchen there has been serous differences between the trout fishermen and a large and genuine conservation group, resulting in the anglers losing their fishing rights.
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So, when half a million litres of slurry flood your area of the Test, you'll just shrug your shoulders and mutter a resigned, "Well . . . I am part of the problem," and walk away to investigate membership of the local Golf Club?
Don't be silly.

See my post #12, a reply to Dunk's post #11, which is much more 'reasoned' than yours.
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If the EA is now becoming impotent due to cuts and staff reduction, perhaps we of the fly fishing fraternity should form our own organisation and deal with the problem on their behalf using name and shame tactics. It is an easy procedure to form a legal voluntary organisation and only anothre short step to become a registered charity. When you do that there are numerous charities that are hemorrhaging money and look for other charities to support with grants and donations, so money is out there. Government grants also exist as long as one has the infrastructure in the first place. Then there are lottery funds. So for a start up charity money is not an issue!

We all carry phones and in those we have digital cameras and video recorders. That makes us all video journalists. We see pollution, or abuse of our cherished river or waterway and we photograph it and film it. If we are lucky we find someone involved and either directly or covertly record their comments and those of others effected by the spill.

Those clips can be made into films. As a former documentary film maker this is not rocket science. All films require on lots of footage, most ends up on the floor or it did in the old days, but now its digital its even easier and as long as you have an idea what you are wanting to achieve you can make a good film on 1024p for peanuts.

Going back to the voluntary organisation / charity, if we want to do this, we can. We live all over the UK and we all have the Internet. So if 100 people come together on a forum like this all the setting up and writing the constitution can be done on Skype, Facetime or whatever, regardless of where committee members live.

If the 100 become 1000 or 10000 and it costs nowt to join we then have one of the largest news organisations in the UK. Everyone has to join the club, gets a membership 'card' and can then patrol their own patch, their local river, lake, still water whatever. They carry their phone and keep their eyes open. When an incident happens the member records the story and emails it in.

It is easy to establish a video channel on YouTube and Vimeo. We can then upload clips, films, photos etc onto those channels and name and shame those involved, farmers, oil companies, petrol companies, whoever, whatever, if they do it, we can show it and put it in their face. They all have web sites and the Internet is their often their image and if they have online farm shops their bread and butter. Show their customers what they are doing behind their backs and they will lose money and money talks.

We can whinge on about cuts and apathy towards a problem that effects us all, or we can grasp the nettle , wade in and sort this out. Power to the people!
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