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    This might give you something to shoot for:




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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    For dyeing the primaries are red, yellow and blue or magenta, cyan (turquoise) and yellow. Green is a secondary colour, and olive is a tertiary colour.
    Yeh - I made a mess of that (joke) illustration - problem with having a head that works in RGB and then needs to come to dyes!

    Yellow = primary colour, plus...
    Olive = secondary (yellow plus black?) or tertiary colour (red plus green, a secondary colour)
    Give...
    Golden olive = tertiary or quaternary colour
    WOIGO (with wee added bits) = quinary colour?
    My hue I am looking for = senary* colour...

    * I am having to look these words up as I need them!



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    Mixing dyes can get serious really fast so the question is how much effort do want to put forth. The easy way out is golden olive dye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    This might give you something to shoot for...
    Too much orange/ginger/amber/whatever and not enough yellow/phosphor for my hue. I already have a piece that is exactly what I want (as used for that muddler above), and so gives me my model. The goal is to make a new piece so I have a supply when it runs out.

    The main problem is not the dye mix - it is the variability of the deer hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    The easy way out is golden olive dye.
    No, sorry - it's a million miles from giving (my preferred) WOIGO deer hair.

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    You're the only person on earth that knows the answer to your questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    You're the only person on earth that knows the answer to your questions.
    Regarding WOIGO deer hair, no arguments there.

    Going back to RGB... possibly a point to ponder - just thinking out loud here...

    We are laregly working in CMYK with our dyes... yes? ... reflected colours. RGB deals in the main with transmitted colours. But then a trout's input is partly transmitted light, and so it is looking at transmitted colours - as are we when we hold a fly up to the light to see how it looks 'contre jour'. So, maybe it is useful to be lookng at the RGB values of the results that we get?

    Another aspect of this - nothing to do with dyes, but just one that I don't think we pay enough attention to, is the temperature of the light as it changes through the day. It can be 5,500K at mid-day, and 13,000K at 7:00 p.m. That has a dramatic effect on both transmitted colours and reflected colours. We never notice it changing because our brains keep refreshing and equilibrating our view for 'white' light. I often wonder whether a trout's brain does likewise, because if it doesn't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    The main problem is not the dye mix - it is the variability of the deer hair.
    One roe skin, same dye recipe (exactly). How many different shades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffhirst View Post
    To get fluo sunburst..... fluo yellow first then a micro(less than 1%) amount of fluo pink. Too much pink will produce fluo orange through to magma and then to fluo red
    Just to say, from my results this week, I concur that for a yellow sunburst I think that about 1% (or even less) won't be far off.

    I've been doing a couple of pieces of white belly hair - aiming for more of an orangey colour than yellow. Both done with 15:1 fluoro yellow to 'hot fuchsia', so about 6.5% fluoro 'pure pink'.

    First piece, both dyes added together. Result - orangey yellow, with emphasis on orange.

    Second piece, I added the magenta first, as the yellow is very quick to strike. I waited a good while before adding the yellow (opposite to Davie McPhail's order). The result looked like it was even more orangey, however, looking at it now it is drying out, the tips are very yellow. They are also very fine. Not going to be any good for muddler collars or sedgehogs.

    Very pleased with the first piece though. I am going to do a cock cape... once I decide which method to go with for it...

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    Here are some recent results with 15:1 fluoro yellow to magenta (both dyes added together)...

    White cock cape and hen Grizzle cape...


    These went yellow in seconds and then it was a case of giving them as long as it took to get the swing to orange in that I wanted. If you wanted more of a yellow sunburst, just take it out sooner.

    Also, a couple of pieces of white belly hair...


    Again, the yellow struck instantly, and the magenta took a lot longer. For the piece on the right, I had to leave it to stew while I went out for a walk.

    Finally, here is a shot taken of them in a dark cupboard, shining the UV torch in on them...


    Er, that will be fluorescent, then...

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