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    Default Re: Peach vs Sunburst???

    This is a UK source for rhodamine red but I don't have any experience buying from them.

    Acid Dyes for Wool

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    Default Re: Peach vs Sunburst???

    Quote from link

    “A few of the dyes in Jacquard's Acid Dyes lineup are the same as ProChem & Ciba's Washfast Acid dyes; for example, ProChem's Rhodamine Red B is the same as Jacquard's Hot Fuchsia.”

    So Jacquard's Hot Fuchsia is fluorescent then! I’ll get some and have a muck about.
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    Great! I hope it works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    You could try fuchsia or rhodamine red; depending on which line of dyes you use.
    Yep - that is what I have been using to give me the yellow to orange scale.

    This was 15:1 fluorescent yellow:"Hot fuchsia", which I believe is rhodamine red...


    And under UV...


    So, the question is, using the same 2 dyes, what changes to make to the method and/or the quantities and/or the ratios, to introduce just enough pink to call it 'peach' (or apricot if you prefer).

    Col
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    Default Re: Peach vs Sunburst???

    There is a process for doing that in an organized way. The first step is to find some inexpensive materials to experiment with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philm View Post
    I know that Jacquard do a fuchsia that isnít fluorescent, in fact I am not sure that they do any fluorescents. Whose dyes are you referring to?
    Quote Originally Posted by philm View Post
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    ďA few of the dyes in Jacquard's Acid Dyes lineup are the same as ProChem & Ciba's Washfast Acid dyes; for example, ProChem's Rhodamine Red B is the same as Jacquard's Hot Fuchsia.Ē

    So Jacquard's Hot Fuchsia is fluorescent then! Iíll get some and have a muck about.
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    Phil
    Come on, Phil. You either know, or you don't. It's no biggie, but if you say you know and you don't, you're spreading misinformation. You know, the sort of thing that'll lead to people saying "UV" when they actually mean "fluorescent".

    Quote Originally Posted by philm View Post
    Managed to find this tucked away in a draw....



    It's a pretty delicate colour, have you tried a weaker bath? Over-dyeing could be the way to go like you say. I'll have a mess about later this week if I get the chance and you don't beat me to it!


    Phil
    Yeah, you're right, it's a delicate colour and this is a problem. Basically, in order to get something with hint of pink you'll have to dye on a white/cream base with, as you say, a weaker solution.

    That may be fine for some materials but for dubbing, specifically seals fur, it leaves the fur looking pretty decent by reflected light but washed out by transmitted light. If you're after a more, er, robust(?) colour it might be worth looking at something less translucent such as angora goat, white rabbit or mink. The obvious question would be; What's that GlowBug yarn made out of? No idea on that I'm afraid.

    Of course, the other thing is we're comparing orange to pink. Some "peaches/apricots" are pinker than others. From the photo, yours looks like a pale-ish coral. If that's the case a mix of 10 parts Acid Yellow 184 to 1 part Acid Red 52 should give you a hot coral. It's then a matter of finding the right dye to material ratio to give the paler hue you, or Col are looking for.

    On "Orkney Peach" you're actually looking at slightly different colours across different materials. The original, I believe, was a 50/50 mix of globrite floss either in floss or chopped dubbing form. After which Gerry marketed a number of materials dyed "Orkney Peach". Some dubbings were a blend of fibres, some were a solid colour. Feathers, such as mallard flank and pheasant tail were clearly a mix of fluoro colours which is what lead me down the merry path of the red end of the spectrum via the medium of fluoro yellow/pink.

    Here's a pic of a few yellow/pink mixes...


    Top left: dyed by eye after coming up with blend in the centre. Top Right: dyed by eye, probably around 30:1. Bottom left: dyed by eye. Bottom Right: 11:1. Centre: mix of the other 3 to make a reasonable approximation of the Orkney Peach blend.

    The thing that you won't see until you dye the stuff yourself is the way the material changes colour as it dries. It's intriguing to note that the bottom left sample which looks quite amber/apricot now looked pinker when it was wet.

    When wet, the bright yellow had a very slight pinkish tinge (it takes more pink than you might think to push it out of pure "Hi-Viz" yellow) but reverted to the slight chartreuse tinge when dry.

    Even more so than with non fluoroscents, I think it pays to get fluorescents to look right when their wet.

    All the best.

    Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    There is a process for doing that in an organized way. The first step is to find some inexpensive materials to experiment with.
    For sure. Just thought I'd ask to see if anyone could give me a starting point...

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    Here is the diference in the 1980s Glowbug yarns...

    Chrome yellow (would probably be labelled 'Sunburst' today)...


    (approx)
    C 5%
    M 15%
    Y 75%
    K 0%

    Interesting there is a small amount of cyan in most of the readings that gave me.

    Apricot (what I used for 'Peach')...


    (approx)
    C 0%
    M 36%
    Y 58%
    K 0%

    As suspected, the ratio of magenta to yellow is higher in the apricot. It's just a case of how to get that result in the dye bath without it coming out either way too deep or way too orange. As suggested above, I will need to experiment. I will also need to source a few inexpensive white chicken skins!

    Col
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    Default Re: Peach vs Sunburst???

    You might find some useful ideas here:

    Bee Mice Elf: September 2014
    Last edited by wsbailey; 31-07-2018 at 04:06 PM. Reason: Double post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsbailey View Post
    You might find some useful ideas here:

    Bee Mice Elf: September 2014
    Interesting link, thanks.

    Col
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