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    Found the right place to post this now thanks Col! Help with Veniards Coral?Help with Veniards Coral?

    Iím having issues with the Veniards Coral dye and would appreciate some help or if possible and alternative dye manufacturer?

    Basically the dye bath is made up as per instructions, 1ltr of boiling water in saucepan and added to that quarter of a teaspoon of dye etc
    I have no issues with the other colours but whatís happening with this specific colour is it isnít going pink? Itís taking on the orange and yellow part of the dye but the red isnít taking to the materials.
    Iíve tried with various materials and now wondering if itís an issue with the batch or me doing something wrong?
    Thanks in advance.


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    Ha-ha - well, I had better copy and paste my reply...

    Just speaking for my own recent experiences, I have found all sorts of issues with materials taking on one colour and leaving another colour in the bath. Just as a for example, I did a piece of deer hair with the colour mix I thought would give me chocolate brown. It was a mix of yellow, black and magenta. The deer hair took up the yellow and black nicely, and left the magenta in the bath! I ended up with a piece of sooty olive der hair (which is fine - I can use it) and a bath of unused magenta dye.

    A lot of the materials I have been doing use some combination of EBEST fluoro yellow and Jacquard Hot Fuchsia. I have found that the yellow strikes very quickly and the fuchsia is much slower. So, it is often best to modulate the desired colour by doing the 2 dyes in separate baths. Obviously, you can't do this with a pre-mixed dye. However, it might just be that the yellow and orange are striking quickly and leaving the red lagging behind. Have you tried using less dye (possibly a lot less) and leaving the material in for longer - possibly a lot longer. A good indication of you having used the correct amount of dye is if the water is almost cleared of colour at the end of the incubation period. If you are finishing dyeing, and you are tipping away a bath of deeply coloured water, then you have used too much dye. Light, bright hues, like sunburst, peach, coral, etc need very little dye.

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    Hi again, right so Iíve purchased another pot of coral from Veniard, Iíve followed instructions but this time used half the amount of dye.
    Still the same problem, two out of three of the colours taking but the red doesnít.
    Left in simmering bath, moving for about twenty minutes now, a long time after initial colours have taken. Still no joy.
    Think I best ring Veniard Help with Veniards Coral?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Left in simmering bath, moving for about twenty minutes now, a long time after initial colours have taken. Still no joy.
    Jut to put a time scale perspective on things, I was doing some deer hair with a mix of yellow and magenta. The yellow was in after about 5 seconds, but the magenta took about 2 hours to get the colour I was looking for.

    I also did some black pieces where the water finally cleared after 6 hours.

    You could always turn the heat off and leave it to stew overnight.

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    I thought that aswell Col, thanks Help with Veniards Coral?
    Iíve spoken with them and they appeared to come up with a solution fairly quickly which had me wondering???
    Anyway, add a dash of crimson he said so I did and itís appeared to atleast go into the material.
    An exhausted dye bath with a dash of crimson gave a better effect.
    Anyway, Iíve emailed them pictures and theyíre going to send out another packet.
    Problem with dyeing wool is if you do it too long it goes like dreadlocks, which isnít what we want.

    Thanks again Col, appreciate you taking the time Help with Veniards Coral?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Problem with dyeing wool is if you do it too long it goes like dreadlocks, which isnít what we want.
    If it's felting you're probably a) keeping it at too high a temperature. b) putting too much material in too small a pan, or c) a combination of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_F View Post
    If it's felting you're probably a) keeping it at too high a temperature. b) putting too much material in too small a pan, or c) a combination of the two.
    Definitely the temperature for prolonged period. Thanks for the reply, appreciated Help with Veniards Coral?


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    Felting can also be caused by agitation in the dye bath or washing machine. The wool has microscopic scale like structures that will interlock with each other, the locking is what is causing the felting. Shiny wool has larger scales than the more dull wools and will felt easier. Wools labeled "superwash" have been treated or processed (not sure which) to reduce the felting. This is all from old research, I may be a bit off...

    I had a similar issue with Veniard's cinnamon or ginger dye a few years back. On the first couple of tries the colours were all wrong and looked nothing like what it was supposed to. I noticed by accident when a few "grains" of the dye landed on wet paper towel the colours produced were distinctly different. A bit of research showed me that many dyes are made of mixtures of different colours and inconsistencies may occur from this. I shook and stirred the dye to make sure it was thoroughly mixed and repeated the dying process. The final colour was much different from the first couple and close to what I was expecting. The dye must have settled during shipment is my best guess. Inaccurate manufacturing or blending may also occur. Beside the two shades previously mentioned I had issues with the coral and peach dyes. Part of the learning process I guess...
    I was a total nerd on those experiments. Everything was precisely weighed on a gram scale, time and temperature were the same. I even used reverse osmosis (RO) water that passed through 4 filters. Now I just use a teaspoon to measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darwin View Post
    Felting can also be caused by agitation in the dye bath or washing machine. The wool has microscopic scale like structures that will interlock with each other, the locking is what is causing the felting. Shiny wool has larger scales than the more dull wools and will felt easier. Wools labeled "superwash" have been treated or processed (not sure which) to reduce the felting. This is all from old research, I may be a bit off...

    I had a similar issue with Veniard's cinnamon or ginger dye a few years back. On the first couple of tries the colours were all wrong and looked nothing like what it was supposed to. I noticed by accident when a few "grains" of the dye landed on wet paper towel the colours produced were distinctly different. A bit of research showed me that many dyes are made of mixtures of different colours and inconsistencies may occur from this. I shook and stirred the dye to make sure it was thoroughly mixed and repeated the dying process. The final colour was much different from the first couple and close to what I was expecting. The dye must have settled during shipment is my best guess. Inaccurate manufacturing or blending may also occur. Beside the two shades previously mentioned I had issues with the coral and peach dyes. Part of the learning process I guess...
    I was a total nerd on those experiments. Everything was precisely weighed on a gram scale, time and temperature were the same. I even used reverse osmosis (RO) water that passed through 4 filters. Now I just use a teaspoon to measure.
    Thanks, I know exactly what you mean about being a nerd haha!!
    I measure everything and majority of the colours are fine. The wool Iím dyeing doesnít really like the Veniard reds for some reason so I use jaquards quite abit instead.
    Filtered water and prewash in special soap too.
    Await alternative dye from the company, I have given the pots a shake before use as like you say they appear to settle. Learnt that the hard way too Help with Veniards Coral?Help with Veniards Coral?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Thanks, I know exactly what you mean about being a nerd haha!!
    I measure everything and majority of the colours are fine. The wool I’m dyeing doesn’t really like the Veniard reds for some reason so I use jaquards quite abit instead.
    Filtered water and prewash in special soap too.
    Await alternative dye from the company, I have given the pots a shake before use as like you say they appear to settle. Learnt that the hard way too Help with Veniards Coral?Help with Veniards Coral?


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    Alpaca by any chance? No wonder it's felting. You might try carding it and reducing the staple length. Also, add a spot of synthrapol in the bath.

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