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    Default 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

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    375,386 people have called on the European Commission to defend Europe’s strong water law, making the EU’s public consultation on the legislation one of the largest ever in the history of the European Union. This law is critical to ensure that Europe’s rivers, lakes and wetlands are protected and brought back to good health.

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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

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    375,386 people have called on the European Commission to defend Europe’s strong water law, making the EU’s public consultation on the legislation one of the largest ever in the history of the European Union. This law is critical to ensure that Europe’s rivers, lakes and wetlands are protected and brought back to good health.

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    They should start in Spain where they have run some rivers dry in order to irrigate crops. Hydroponics are fine on a small scale but when you get to the size commercial enterprise think of it just takes too much water for it to be sustainable from an environmental point of view.

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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    Not another anti EU thread i hope

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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    Clumsy title, it would have been more accurate as 375,000+ citizens tell European governments Hands off our EU water law!

    Still, good to see a mention of just one of the many positive aspects of EU membership

    George Monbiot wrote an interesting article outlining the future of the UK's environmental regs recently, not that we enforce them adequately but things haven't looked so bleak since the era ....before we joined the EU.

    Check it oot - Why disaster capitalists are praying for a no-deal Brexit | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian
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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    375.000 out of about 550 million in the EU. Brussels will laugh at that.

    They seem to be good at introducing laws, but then they let individual countries use a get-out clause.

    I spoke to my cousin in Austria about an EU law that we were enforcing and he simply said, "Oh, we ignore that. It doesn't apply to us." The EU gives them a get out of jail free card to cull 25% of otters in order to protect their trout & grayling fisheries on the most slender evidence that the otters are doing any harm whatsoever. Shoot cormorants? They all come from England according to my cousin, so some people over here should be pleased that the Austrians are knocking them off.

    The hidden issues, the ones that are REALLY affecting their trout & grayling fisheries are simply not understood and would be ignored if they were.

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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    I'm not sure what your point is apart from your disregard for a substantial response to a petition which has a niche interest.

    Austria has a derogation to shoot cormorants according to your cousin (450 shot between 2000 and the 2006/7 period, nothing to get excited about, fewer than 70 p/a) and otters ( a limit of 40 allowed to be culled in Lower Austria) and you go on to say hidden issues affecting salmonids are not understood and would be ignored were that to be the case.

    What issues beyond the scope of the WFD would those be I wonder?
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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    diawl bach

    My cousin is President of his local fisheries consultative and his wife works part-time for the Fisheries Office in Klagenfurt. I spoke to him about WFD and he just looked blank. Not the foggiest.

    You want to know the gist of a "report" on the fish population in a river I have fished for 25 years? "It's about the same as last time." "Last time" was ten years prior to that! It is an absolute joke.

    2015 I noticed that the grayling numbers seemed to have declined. Where I would be catching anything up to 70 or 80 in a day I was getting down to 12 or 15. No great cause for alarm I thought. The weather or just a blip.

    2016 and things were no better. I was struggling to get 8 or 10. I flagged it up with my cousin and he just poo-poo'd the whole idea. His response was that the grayling are not that easy to catch. We were standing by a stretch of the river where only five years before I spent an afternoon and in two hours moved no more than ten yards upstream. I have no idea how many grayling I caught, but it certainly ran into the 40 - 50+

    2017 I went with three friends. Between the four of us we caught 23 grayling in 4 days fishing. Plenty of trout but grayling.....?

    2018 was no better. I didn't fish much and only managed half a dozen grayling in about 4 hours. My cousin now tells me that they have decided that there should be a limit on grayling. Only one could be killed per day.

    Re the otters. I am reliably informed by my cousin that they only eat grayling which is why the grayling are in decline! Nothing whatever to do with the increasing devlopment. We drove together along a lane by the river. "Ten years ago," says my cousin, "there were no houses here." Now there was fifty. He just couldn't connect it.

    Austrian farmers are now planting lots of maize on slopes leading down to the river. Instant run-off. The only thing worse, I am told, is free range pigs and they haven't got any of those - yet.

    I spent some time in 2017 guddling around on and under the stones on the riverbed. Very few nymphs or caddis. I went looking in the spider's webs on a footbridge over the river - an ideal place for upwings get caught. In four webs I found three spinners.

    You mention Lower Austria. That is one country. There are 8 in all. Upper Austria, Lower Austria, Salzburg, Tyrol, Styria, Burgenland, Carinthia (the country I refer to) and Vorarlberg so likely that the otter cull is much more wide ranging.

    That river has a real problem but my cousin who should be raising the roof about it not only as President of his fisheries consultative but also as someone who rents a considerable amount of fishing there, is doing nothing.

    I'm not going this year as my wife and I are doing other things. I have a friend who is a keen angler and has a small hotel in the valley. I will keep in touch with him.

    And my point was perfectly clear. 375,00 signatures out of 550 million is not a lot, and Brussels will just kick it into the long grass.

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    Default Re: 375,000+ citizens tell the European Commission “Hands off our water law!”

    my point was perfectly clear. 375,00 signatures out of 550 million is not a lot, and Brussels will just kick it into the long grass.
    If you take the trouble to read my reply you'll notice that was the point I understood even though I think it's dismissive for the reason that concerns about water quality are relatively thin on the ground in the angling community let alone in society as a whole. To some extent I think the EU's technocratic style elevates its outlook above populism and takes note of science and the organisations which have a foundation in science.

    My question is " .... you go on to say hidden issues affecting salmonids are not understood and would be ignored
    What issues beyond the scope of the WFD would those be I wonder?"

    Mercury, detected in nearly all Austrian waters causes wholesale failure in chemical environmental quality standards, it's so prevalent there that the EU - and this isn't unique to Austria - give two sets of chemical pollution data , one including mercury, the other stripped of results from Ubiquitous, persistent, bioaccumulative and toxic chemicals (uBTC) . Could this be impacting on the grayling?





    This grayling issue's interesting, particularly as they're perceived to be a species whose presence indicates good water quality. I've witnessed large fluctuations in their abundance in the Taff over many years and can't explain this with any certainty as their demise could be explained by a number of factors including sewage pollution, a huge influx of cormorants, major development schemes which disturbed mine workings and the population of grayling itself which hit such a peak that I became bored with grayling fishing, it felt unsustainable.

    Meanwhile the Ogmore, a river with very few grayling generally confined to its lower reaches is being rapidly populated by grayling from its confluence with the Ewenny, they're becoming increasingly abundant and that's despite some connectivity issues, it'll be interesting to see how that evolves.
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