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    Default Surgeon's Knot or Water Knot

    Use: Joining two lengths of leader material

    Description: The surgeon's knot or water knot is a good knot for joining lengths of nylon or leader material and can be used for attaching a tippet to the end of a leader. If the down-pointing end is left long when tying this knot, it makes an effective dropper. There is some argument about this knot which is referred to sometimes as the double surgeon's knot: this is, actually, a 4-turn water knot.

    Tying:

    1. Tying this knot follows much the same procedure as the Surgeon's loop.





    2. The two lengths of nylon to be joined should be overlapped by some 100mm. If right-handed, hold the tag end of the tippet and the standing end of the leader with the thumb and finger of your left hand.





    3. Using your other hand, tie an overhand knot and make sure that the end of the tippet and the leader itself are pulled through the knot. Repeat this procedure for a true Surgeon's knot. (If you make two more overhand knots, your finished knot is a Double Surgeon's knot or 4-turn Water Knot.)





    4. Moisten the knot, pull it tight and trim-off the tag ends.





    Graphics of knots drawn by Tim Pegg of Thilmcraft Graphics. E-mail: thilm@paston.co.uk

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    That's the fella! Thanks for posting an SBS!

    So simple! I use it continually to create droppers. Now show the loop in leader turned back on itself and threaded through it's own loop! Another simplified way to create a dropper.

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    Thumbs up Thubs up.

    Save for hook to leader ... the only one I use. Minimum of three loops is the key. Never had one of those come apart. Well, one damned big fish proved me wrong.

    fae
    Fred Evans - White City, Oregon

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredaevans View Post
    Save for hook to leader ... the only one I use. Minimum of three loops is the key. Never had one of those come apart. Well, one damned big fish proved me wrong.

    fae
    minimum of three Fred i only ever use two turns
    WHEN YOU LEAVE THE RIVER, TAKE NOTHING, AND LEAVE ONLY FOOTPRINT'S!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUCE1 View Post
    minimum of three Fred i only ever use two turns
    You need to come to my part of the World and I'll 'introduce you' (with luck) to Mr. Winter Run Steelhead. He'll be looooong gone in seconds.

    Kidding aside, with heavier leader material (personal experience here only) three turns will hold a knot. Under 10#'s? You'd better be doing 4 to 5 (as you get lower) or you've got a "not-knot."

    fae
    Fred Evans - White City, Oregon

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    Dear Fred ,

    Around 40 years ago the Great Arthur Cove showed me the 4 turn version which he popularised that well that to this day it is known as the Cove Knot in the UK .

    It has never ever let me down - and neither did Arthur ! A great man and my hero !

    Best wishes

    Steve P

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    Default Arthur Cove

    One of my heroes too Steve.Wish I could have met him.

    Best JP

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    I am pleased to have met Arthur,at a variety of fisheries ,game fairs and of course in tackle shops when he was delivering maggots and some exceeding good casters .
    A very pleasant person to have a chat with on all things piscatorial,had a fair bit of advice on where and how to fish for salmon from him .
    Andy Wren
    Still fishing but slowly!

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    I've only ever used two turns myself and so far so good. What are the pros and cons of adding another third turn?

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    personally I am a three turn fan , a superb simple knot so easy to tie and so reliable, .....


    Andy




    Becks and Brown Trout

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