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    Default The Penny knot

    Hi,

    Has anyone seen or used this knot before?
    It's on the Peter Hayes website and I first saw it on one of his YouTube instructors videos.



    I've been looking for an easy knot for tying flies to tippet as I often struggle with cold fingers and poor close up eyesight especially with thinner lines.
    I'd found the Davy or double Davy the easiest so far but lost confidence in them after losing fish.

    I haven't done any actual pull tests yet but in a totally unscientific way the Penny knot "feels" secure and is amazingly easy (and quick) to tie especially using forceps.
    Peter Hayes does say it is not as strong in flourocarbon as nylon/copolymer.

    Cheers.

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    I used it for the 2nd half of last season without any problems at all... really quick to tie... and as you've said especially with haemostats/forceps, particularly useful at dusk. I don't use fluoro, so can't comment on whether it's weaker with that.

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    Just tied it in seconds-I like it, so easy. Gave it a good tugging, the knot remained sound. I've been looking for a new simple knot, going to use this when the season begins.

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    Chris
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    I'm sat here practicing this knot, incredibly easy and it seems to be very strong.
    I'll keep at it till it's second nature, takes time to imprint when you reach a certain age. Not sure it'll be much use for droppers though as it uses a lot of nylon and leaves a long tag, or am I doing it wrong. Anyone use it for droppers ?.

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    I use the figure of 8 for droppers... again tied using haemostats

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    I've struggled with the co-polymer lines of any make I've tried vis a vis knots. But the' one knot' used in Tenkara has been good so far. I mention it only as I think it's good for those with poor sight. It's very tactile and you can create the two loops as big as you like to pass the end of the line through.

    Tenkara, simple fly fishing method from Japan, uses only a telescopic tenkara rod, tenkara line and tenkara fly: My new ?One Knot?: Double-loop slip knot Tippet to fly = tippet to level line

    For Tenkara it works well to secure the Julian too. Just pass through the open loops twice. Pull tags to release.
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    I've had chance to play around with the Penny knot this evening at home and in the small amount of pull tests I've done it seems to compare well for strength with the Double Davy, the Improved Clinch and the Uni Knot. All knots tied in 5lb nylon and 7lb copolymer tied to either side of a swivel and pulled apart.
    In one of his videos, Peter Hayes says that the knot is more than 100% of the tippet strength which I didn't believe and this was born out by my basic tests.

    I then tried again with three turns of the loop around the main line and it was each time stronger than with two.
    Best strength definitely depends on careful lubrication and tightening of the knot.
    I then tried passing the line through the eye twice before tying the knot to spread the load at the bend (I know this is getting away from a really easy knot to tie) and to my surprise the line broke between the knot and my gloved hand each time (x4).
    I think I'll be using it one way or another from now on.

    Anyone else got thoughts or experiences around this?

    Hope this is of interest.:thumbs

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    [QUOTE=beryl;2180830]I've struggled with the co-polymer lines of any make I've tried vis a vis knots. But the' one knot' used in Tenkara has been good so far. I mention it only as I think it's good for those with poor sight. It's very tactile and you can create the two loops as big as you like to pass the end of the line through.

    Hi Beryl,

    Just done half a dozen pull tests between the Tenkara One knot against the Penny knot.
    The Tenkara knot does indeed feel secure but the Penny knot beats it for strength in my humble opinion.
    I also found the Tenkara knot easy to tie but a bit more fiddly even in the comfort of my kitchen! It was admittedly my first few attempts at this knot but I still believe the Penny knot to be quicker and easier especially out in the cold and the wind.

    I'm just surprised that there isn't more discussion or interest in possible new knots amongst anglers as there is with tackle.
    For example one well known "celebrity" fly fisher obviously embraces modern lines and carbon rods but in at least one of his films he insists that the cinch knot (not improved) has never let him down and is easy to untie???
    I've tried it and it unravels under minimal pressure every time for me.

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    I'll keep the penny knot in mind. The one knot is the first I have used with the co-polymers that hasn't just failed in a random way. The CP's have real advantages presentation-wise so I've tried to live with them. Slow, well lubricated and careful construction and they would still fail in a random way. It has to be me in some way but I'm b@ggered if I can see how I'm going wrong.

    I always have a spool of Maxima 2.5lbs cameo in the bag. That and a five turn blood knot is a fine backstop when it all go pearshaped
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    Interesting post-tying knots.

    Chris
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