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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by arkle View Post
    Whilst nt really being an advocate, for "plenty of spit" I do slightly "lube" my knots, but perhaps more importantly I was told many years ago by a very experienced angler to place the nearly completed knot under your tongue for a few seconds to warm the material up, so that it will soften a bit & pull up tighter.
    The key is really all about avoiding heat caused by friction,I don't bother with lube but do pull the knot together very slowly.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Many thanks for suggestions and advice. Iam going to try figure of eight with lots of spit and a slow tighten.
    However any thoughts on why my knot is failing. Could it be the relative diameters of the tippet material or just my poor tying.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Hard to say Chiron without being there.Just sat here and tied a few water knots and they seem fine but not tied in the fine diameter quoted.Is it failing on dry test or on fish ?.Fig 8 is a great knot but putting joining/dropper knots in fine low stretch tippet materials is not something I would do by choice.Guessing you are using some pretty light gear ? and suited to your fishing although if your eminent friend does it then covers that query.Will be interested to know the outcome on this one because I find it hard to believe your tying is at fault as difficult to get a water knot wrong.

    JP

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by chiron View Post
    I am having problems with my 2 turn surgeon/water knots failing. I use a Hardy 6lb tapered leader and then a 18inch length of .014 Stroft then a 36 inch length of .01 Stroft.
    The knot usually breaks leaving it on the up rod end if you follow me. I am careful to tie carefully and use plenty of spit to lubricate. All the nylon is fresh this year.
    Is the problem just me or is it to do with the relative diameters of the twang?
    Chiron
    It's very very fine diameter 0.14 down to 0.1, my go to is mono is 0.23 6lb, why do you want/need it so fine?
    Al

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    I used a three turn water knot on Wednesday and it failed despite slow tighten and lots of spit.Then did a two turn and it was fine all morning catching several brownies and grayling. I was broken by a big stockie which charged off into the weed.
    So after lunch I tied a figure of eight and no problems at all.
    Still a bit confused and am wondering if ther might be an issue with the Stroft. I keep it in the dark in a pocket in my fly vest but I find that it sometimes pigtails when I handle it and think it could be a reaction to the what ever might be on my fingertips.
    The figure of eight was easy to tie after a bit of practice.
    If I use it to provide a dropper I presume it best to use the down line end?

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by chiron View Post
    The figure of eight was easy to tie after a bit of practice.
    If I use it to provide a dropper I presume it best to use the down line end?
    Yes.

    Jim
    The Fishermans Friend is the Flirty Fly,Fickle Food for Fleeting Fish.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Always been comfortable with the knots I've tied in any of the materials I see fit for use at that particular time, be it leader connections, droppers or attaching the lures. Someone once wrote, "The secret to fishing is that there is no secret, except for attention to detail".
    There's more to life than just fishing....but I ignore them. Hidden Content

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Just something to remember that may seem blatantly obvious, but not everyone does it.... test your knots after you've tied them, before you fish.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Used a figure of eight for dropper and fly last twice out, landed 8 fish 2 around 4lb and extremely hard fighting no problems with it ��.
    Al

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    I find a 2 turn water/surgeons knot very dependable on stroft of same or similar diameter. Less so if there is a significant difference and relatively, 0.14 to 0.10 is quite significant. I therefore try to keep the difference to around 0.02mm when stepping down even if it means an extra section of nylon.

    I have been trying out the figure of eight dropper knot this season and it seems very easy to tie and reliable, at least with similar diameter nylons

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