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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by speytime View Post
    It's very very fine diameter 0.14 down to 0.1, my go to is mono is 0.23 6lb, why do you want/need it so fine?
    Al
    0.10 is 7X, snaps if you tug on it.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by speytime View Post
    It's very very fine diameter 0.14 down to 0.1, my go to is mono is 0.23 6lb, why do you want/need it so fine?
    Al
    Maybe he is using very small dry flies , size 20 and under , fine 0.10 tippets give better presentation on small micro dry flies .

    Most river anglers I know use tippets from 0.16 , 0.14 for general nymph work , maybe 0.12 if the rivers are low .

    A lot of anglers I know of use tippet diameters between 0.12 and 0.10 for dry fly fishing , a few drop down to 00.8 on occasions . I am not suggesting you are using micro dries with 0.23 diameter tippets , that type of diameter is very big for river work . I am not nit picking , you did not state if you were fishing rivers or Still Waters .

    Back to the OP , I use a identical set up most of the time , Hardy tapered leader 5/6 pound , 8 to 10 inch of 0.14 stroft , then 3 foot of Stroft ABR 0,10 , but I also use Grand Max Fluro in a diameter of 0.10


    A 2 turn water knot is used to connect any tippets , I am sure John Tyzack and Andy Cliffe who are international anglers also use Hardy tapered leaders , Stroft tippets in the fine diameters and use a 2 turn water knot .

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Of course it depends where and what you're fishing but 0.1 is extremely fine.

    I was just curious as to why he went so light I wasn't suggesting that he use 0.23.

    Yeh maybe he was? If he'd replied back we'd know then people could advise him better.

    I didn't think you were nit picking i know that's not your thing ��
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    Last edited by speytime; 19-10-2018 at 05:39 PM.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Sorry not to reply but finding retirement very busy. No excuse not to do items on the “LIST .
    Yes fishing on rivers and on my local club Stillwater where we have glass like conditions in the evening and I like to fish size 18 + dries so small dia leader is required.
    I think my issue has been with tightening the water knot too quickly ,unevenly and generating heat thus weakening the thinner diameter tippet.
    Fishing with JT later in the year so will ask him to show me where I am going wrong.
    Chiron

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    I couldn't see a size 18 ��
    There's a link near the last post of a recent thread "what fluorocarbon for droppers" it's got an interesting article about tippet and knots it reckons a 3 turn is better than a 2 and a blood knot was the best knot for joining, worth a read. Best of luck sorting out your issue ��

    I read recently that lip balm makes a good knot lubricant?
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    Last edited by speytime; 26-10-2018 at 10:27 PM.

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Some recommend an extra turn if using fluorocarbon as it's a harder leader/tippet material that doesn't "bed down" like a nylon of the same diameter. The knots do tend to slip, apparently.
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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Interesting Taffy I've had figure 8 knots slipping off when tightening them, never with any other knot though, I've only started using fluorocarbon but I've done lots of testing and none other than the fig 8 has slipped
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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Hi!

    Using Stroft for years, and my go to for any trout fishing is 0.12, and I connect all sections of my leader with 4 turns surgeon knot... and it seldom fails. When occurring, line mostly break close to the fly if not at fly's knot.

    Obviously I use bigger line when relevant (big flies, possibility to meet sea run trouts or grisles, etc...) or simply when it is not necessary to take big risks when thin line.

    R
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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    To those who say not to bother lubricating knots ...

    A few years ago I had the good fortune to attend a talk by Peter Morse. Morsie holds at least one world record for tropical saltwater species caught on the fly. He is one of the people who I will listen to and learn from when it comes to knots.
    One demonstration using 70lb nylon monofilament was to rub it with a dry paper towel, simulating the friction of tightening a knot without lubrication. The 70lb mono could be easily snapped by pulling.

    @chiron: JT, a hugely successful competition angler, is another person who I will listen to and learn from

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    Default Re: Two turn surgeons knot failing

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewparkeruk View Post
    To those who say not to bother lubricating knots ...

    A few years ago I had the good fortune to attend a talk by Peter Morse. Morsie holds at least one world record for tropical saltwater species caught on the fly. He is one of the people who I will listen to and learn from when it comes to knots.
    One demonstration using 70lb nylon monofilament was to rub it with a dry paper towel, simulating the friction of tightening a knot without lubrication. The 70lb mono could be easily snapped by pulling.

    @chiron: JT, a hugely successful competition angler, is another person who I will listen to and learn from

    Andrew
    A good reason for pulling the knot together ultra slowly then..yes?
    Friction is the enemy but we mustn’t overlook the possibility of forming an uneven knot and tying it too quickly,which can happen when we lubricate.

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