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    Default Pike flyfishing

    Anybody fancy joining me on some pike flyfishing trips this winter. I will be fishing waters around Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire plus Rutland water and pitsford will mainly be midweek trips. Ian

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    Personally I think the anglian water reservoirs have had too much pressure as regards predator fishing......it's pretty much pointless on the fly as it's been fished by the predator boys with dead baits, lures etc for months now.

    Trying to catch pike on the fly there is almost impossible except early season March/April time.

    Worse still is that the predator fishing is ruining the fly fishing for a number of reasons I won't go into but the two disciplines just don't mix.

    Your better off fishing the rivers on the fly for pike no one bothers and the fish although smaller are generally easier to catch

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    Default Re: Pike flyfishing

    Thanks for the reply rob. I live near the Trent and the soar so I have plenty to go at locally. I have had 20lb plus pike from the Trent in the past dead baiting so I will start there first. Anyone fancy joining me let me know ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Edmunds View Post
    Personally I think the anglian water reservoirs have had too much pressure as regards predator fishing......it's pretty much pointless on the fly as it's been fished by the predator boys with dead baits, lures etc for months now.

    Trying to catch pike on the fly there is almost impossible except early season March/April time.

    Worse still is that the predator fishing is ruining the fly fishing for a number of reasons I won't go into but the two disciplines just don't mix.

    Your better off fishing the rivers on the fly for pike no one bothers and the fish although smaller are generally easier to catch
    I would be interested to hear your theories Rob. Chew, once a premier trout fishery, is now but a shadow of its former self with lure and dead bait fishing no longer a "trial" but a regular occurrence.

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    Default Re: Pike flyfishing

    Look I really don't want to start an argument between different angling disciplines.....that is not my intention at all.

    I love all types of fishing, and still do them all regularly from Beachcasting, wrecking to lure fishing for pike, perch and even livebaiting (which although frowned upon by many is my personal favourite for catching really big predatory fish of any species)



    But I do feel very strongly about this issue..

    My thoughts regarding the matter are based on my experiences over the last 35 years on Rutland, Grafham and Pitsford being a season ticket holder fishing at least 2 or 3 times per week I have noticed a number of significant changes over the years..



    20 years ago Pike Fishing was originally allowed 1 or 2 days per season on Rutland & Grafham with large spoons and spinners only (over 6" i believe and barbless hooks only) this generated revenue and very few fish - it had little effect (if any) on the fly fishing.

    Predator Fishing really took off when us "Fly Anglers" decided we would target the big Pike, Perch and Zander on these reservoirs (around 12 years ago), after all we knew the holding area's better than anyone - we soon had a lot of really big fish on the fly and it raised the profile and the potential of the waters enormously...these were fish often of a lifetime for "predator anglers".....I remember the days when i had 4 double figure Zander in one session ...and 4 Perch over 4 lb all on the fly...now that's impossible to achieve for anyone.


    The only problem was the majority of predator anglers cannot cast a fly, let alone a large pike fly so struggled..... and caught nothing and spent a lot of money....complaints of "why can't we use jerkbaits etc".. soon followed

    Specimen groups quickly saw the potential in our waters and put pressure on Anglian Water to open the reservoirs up for "Predator Anglers", and allow a relaxation of the rules..




    From Anglian Water's perspective it's now a huge revenue stream, they sell a lot of boats and day tickets and now I genuinely feel they care more about the Predator anglers than the fly-fisherman..(just look at all the Predator tackle for sale in the Anglian Water Lodges !!)

    OK....the current position is as follows:-

    - From September onward's Predator anglers account for 10 -30 % of all Anglian water boats (some weekends all boats are booked just for a Predator event)

    - Small "plastics" of any size are now allowed - supposedly to target the perch dropshotting (yet the trout love them)

    - Small Spinners are used by the vast majority - this is not policed by the A.Water staff.

    - Dead baits of any size are used - often small sprats in the 3 - 7" size for Zander but taken by trout

    - Predator anglers can use "trebles" (Fly anglers cannot )

    - Anglian Water even promotes a match on Pitsford in which Predetor anglers must achieve the "Grand Slam" of a Pike, Perch and Trout

    - In July you can legally spin or use plugs for trout at Pitsford.....any lure is fine !

    - Anglian Water promoted a "Survey" for eel fishing this year with bivvies from the Sailing Club at Grafham to the Dam for 3 nights....supposedly eel fishing (some survey.... anglers paid 45 a night) and caught a multitude of species including trout !




    I have witnessed on many occasions the following:

    - Large trout (especially browns) caught on deadbaits and small plugs

    - Predator anglers specifically targeting trout on small spoons/spinners when they can't catch pike (and catching a lot 30+ )

    - Predator anglers (killing trout and taking them)

    - Predator anglers killing course fish and taking them (Zander/Bream etc...)

    - Predator anglers just "trolling round" on their electric engines

    - Predator anglers getting run after run from big browns on deadbaits...

    - I have regularly fished an area (Browns Island) caught a decent trout and then hear a "plop, plop, plop" as 2 or 3 predator boats descend on you and fish spinners literally 10 yards from where you are fishing.

    - Every decent "fry holding" area is now taken up by a predator boat fishing ...and you can't get within 100m of it as they usually have 2 deadbait rods out each and use a lure rod for spinning.

    - Predator anglers don't really care about us fly fisherman.....they will fish where they want and stuff you.....





    The trout (and predator's) are hammered, they get spooked, they get killed...it's ruining the waters and very few season ticket holders like the change


    I have no problem with Pike, Perch or Zander in our reservoirs....and no problem with anglers fishing for them. But I honestly think fishing should ONLY be done on the fly.....this will protect ALL our fish Zander, Pike, Perch and Trout as only the true specimen anglers will fish for them....

    At the moment any idiot can throw out a small spinner or a small deadbait and catch something.....usually trout

    Anglian Water are destroying their waters......the Predator fishing is a shadow of what it was.....the fly- fishing is in sharp decline.

    I honestly fear we will soon have a situation like Hanningfield or Bewl where once great fly fishing reservoirs are now all but destroyed..



    Any method will be next.....
    Last edited by Rob Edmunds; 01-11-2017 at 08:51 AM.

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    Default Re: Pike flyfishing

    Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse at Rutland & Grafham it seems it can...

    World Lure Championships head to England in 2018



    A 3 day predator match in 2018, and no doubt the competitors will all practice for a couple of weeks beforehand.....

    After this event I can see Anglian Water coming out with some sort of BvllSh!t like.........


    "It was an honour for Rutland to host such a prestigious event - The fishery has once again proved itself to be a remarkable venue, not only for fly fishing but also for predator anglers"


    I can see Anglian Water opening Rutland and Grafham up to Lure anglers following this !.....


    aaarrrgghhhh

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