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  1. #51
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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Hey Jerry.

    Sounds like that Tongwell brook stretch might be a winter hot spot.
    I'll have to nip down and give it a bash sometime soon.
    Are there fish all along it or just up near the lake overflow? I can always head to the Ouzel if it is fished out in an hour.
    Also is it a freebie or am I going to get kicked off?
    Didn't you have any tungsten bead flies for the perch or split shot? I bet you would have caught everyone with the right fly action.

    Peter (bakerlite) had a brook/drain out his way that looked rubbish but once in a while it would fill solid with good roach ( they must have come from a connected lake). When it did the roach fishing was the easiest I've ever known - unmissable takes on huge flies (huge for roach that is - #14s & #16s). Shame there was only about 50 yards of bank with fish available but it did give a superb half hour of sport.
    He'd not seen anything in it for years but late time we spoke he mentioned seeing fish there again. ;-)

    Cheers

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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Iíve started Ďtyingí these at my desk today. Iíll add a hackle and some weight and see if I canít tempt a Perch or two.
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-capture-jpg

    The Tongwell brook holds fish wherever there is a slightly deeper pool. The problem is these are few and far between, so much so that I use a bike to get between them.
    On the map, the concrete area Iíve been fishing recently is in red, the green circles are where I have seen or caught fish and the purple circle is an area Iíve never explored as youíd have to wade due to the bankside vegetation.
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    In all honesty this is a tiny little stream, that you could jump across in most places, and that is heavily culverted in the rest. That said I have had a lot of fun exploring and winkling fish out from under the noses of the general public. The whole of the stream is free fishing (Itís so small I donít think anyone even realises there are fish in there).
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-capture3-jpg

    As you can see at the top of the map, it empties in to the Ouzel. As far as I can tell it is also free fishing here. Iíve only made it this far once, and due to the distance from work I only got about 15 minutes fishing in on my lunch break. Where I fished the Ouzel was slow, shallow and wide, but a bit further downstream is a weir, and (from google maps) it looks like it gets back to a more natural course after that.
    I reckon you could have a good day starting on the Tongwell brook, following it down to the Ouzel and then following the Ouzel down to the Great Ouse. Plenty of access the whole way.

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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    I also bought some squirmy worm material. What hook size would you use for roach and how long should the squirmy piece be? Shorter than for trout I guess?

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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dominikk85 View Post
    I also bought some squirmy worm material. What hook size would you use for roach and how long should the squirmy piece be? Shorter than for trout I guess?
    Dom,

    This may help?

    Tactical Squirmy Fritz Jig – Barbless Flies

    You may be able to get a general idea etc.

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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Thanks,

    I tied a couple today. Will try them next week.
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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Last week I briefly tried the Ravensbourne in Lewisham (London) but that was a total waste of time - never saw a fish or any sign of anything scaly but a few local park users looked decidedly slimy.
    The only interesting thing that happened was meeting Mark (Starsky) for a chat. Other than that it was a complete no-no. It did look nice though but fishless probably due to the lack of predator hidey holes- no sunken tees, no undercut banks, no streamer weed, no log jams. Nowhere for a fish to hide! I did see the sign asking "Have you seen the otters in London". No, but I've just seen one of the rivers they have emptied!

    Today myself and Simon (Swelly) got out for a few hours on the little river Ise in Kettering. We chose the Ise because it is the most fish filled brook I know of. I wasn't going anywhere that might be fishless after last weeks disaster.
    First thing in the morning it was minus 4 degrees, according to the car's thermometer but the sky was cloudless and there wasn't a breath of wind so it was going to be pretty nice anywhere in the sun but freezing in those shady swims. Wrap up warm and it should be superb just to be out and about.
    We arrived just before mid-day a little surprised to find the water high and very coloured. The rain we had here on Tues/Wed must have been worse than I remembered it. We had caught plenty a few weeks back when conditions looked quite similar though so both of us were not too concerned.
    We were both soon missing takes! Better than no takes and we knew it would just be a matter of time before we'd catch.
    I drew 1st blood with 3 small roach from a near side cattle drink - why is there a cattle drink in a public park though!?
    Simon then had a couple, also roach, from a swim where he had failed last time but I had caught after his failure! He'd learnt and had them for himself today! Damn, I'd have liked those two.
    A little way upstream I winkled this little beauty out of a tight spot between near bank trees.
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    Once again it was roach or nothing - not complaining it's just strange how easy they are on this brook especially when it's coloured. On the wrong venue they can be a complete nightmare to the point where you give up trying. Find a location where they will have it though and you're laughing.
    As I was missing too many takes I changed the point fly to a tiny #20 micro squirmy with a 2mm tungy. I expected this to be too small in the dirty water but it out fished the bigger fly on the dropper. Maybe the water wasn't as coloured as we thought?
    I added a string of these:
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-ise_19th_jan_20202_roach-jpg
    ...and even a double header of roach from this nothing looking swim:
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-ise_19th_jan_20202_1-jpg
    We were both adding roach from here and there as we leapfrogged our way up the stream.
    As it was faster flowing upstream of the park I changed to a 3.5mm and 4mm tungy only about 18 inches apart in an attempt to get down faster in the tight little pockets of slack, fish holding water. Simon had altered his rig too but maybe a touch heavier than mine.
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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    The rig changed worked as I had a nice little perch followed by another roach from a pillow sized eddy behind a hawthorn bush.
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    The first non roach catch for either of us after around 3 dozen red fins.
    I headed upstream, after Simon, to find him struggling with a small chub - another non roach!
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-ise_19th_jan_20202_simonchub-jpg
    I then poached his swim and immediately had this double header of small chublets.
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-ise_19th_jan_20202_doublechub-jpg
    That was the action all over for myself. A long march upstream to a hole that holds huge roach, only to find a bait fisherman in residence, ate up the remaining daylight.
    Simon managed a couple more small chub and a nice roach whilst I was taking a walk! One day I'll have a 1lb plus roach from that pool. One day.
    A long, muddy, very slippery hike back to the car left us knackered and far too hot despite it being around freezing again. Much of the bankside had remained frozen solid all day but the sun warmed areas were slime central.
    Another great session for us. Lots caught, masses of takes and as usual not enough hours of daylight. Roll on summer.
    I ended with 26 fish - 23 roach, 2 chub and a perch.
    Simon had 16 fish - 13 roach and 3 chub.
    A minus 4 degree frost and over 40 fish caught - winter coarse river fishing is easy.
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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    Well I have had an attempt with the worm patterns and still no Perch!

    Plenty of Roach and Chub, so I shouldn’t complain, but it is very frustrating.
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    The water has cleared down again, so I could see the different fish in the mixed shoal, and I could even see their reactions to the fly.
    As the fly lands the whole shoal darts away, but only a short distance. As the fly sinks the Roach are the first to come back and investigate. If I just let the fly sink, or only use a slow retrieve the Roach will take it.

    If I use a fast retrieve the Chub swoop in and take the fly, but the Perch always hover toward the back. I have tried a jigging / jerking retrieve and I tried changing to a size 10 weird very red fly (self tied) which works for Perch on the canal. None of the fish took that.

    So short of anyone on here coming up with suggestions, I am going to give up on the Perch and just go back to enjoying the more obliging species.
    In the meantime here is a photo of my rod straddling the more natural, but less accessible section of the brook. I might yet put my waders on one lunchtime and give it a go.
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    Only trouble is I might have to squeeze through here to get to it!
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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    New venue this time.

    This is a severely straightened roadside ditch but (as far as I can tell), it's technically a chalk stream.

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    That said, the natural spring is heavily augmented by the outflow from a sewerage works, and a road widening scheme means that there is almost nothing natural about the course of the water.

    Just to add to the issue, it looks to be dredged and have vegetation cleared pretty regularly. Leaving the fish no cover from predators, of which I found evidence:
    Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.-cs3-jpg

    So two hours and and about two miles of walking later.

    One, beautiful, Chub

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    A lunchtime well spent.

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    Default Re: Back on the rivers at last -Silver Fish in Winter.

    A 2 hour lunchtime,you must be the boss! Lovely colours and condition.

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