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Confusing Americans is not difficult.

But they do regularly fish for sea trout in the warmer southern waters!
Is a completely different fish, and only goes to a few lbs weight.
Hence the need for differentiation over there.
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But they do regularly fish for sea trout in the warmer southern waters!
Is a completely different fish, and only goes to a few lbs weight.
Hence the need for differentiation over there.
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That's their problem!

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Truly fascinating......I imagine all of the poisoned roach, dace, chub , trout and associated invertebrates of the Bevern Stream and Sussex Ouse suddenly found themselves 'Sea-going' as they drifted downstream to wash out into the Channel at Newhaven.

Has Plumpton Agricultural College been sued for this?....I am sure they should be.
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Type "salmo trutta Kerguelen" in your browser... Many more surprises: the trout population of this Island is derivating from a single genetic pool that was put in a single river in the 50's, and results in different behaviors, including migratory and non migratory populations.

In one river, all fish have a very similar genetic material but in neighbouring rivers, it appears that some changes are appearing...
Moreover, as at these latitudes the water is very cold in winter, the balance salinity/temperature is not helping; reason why all fish come back to freshwater in winter.

I've read recently that despite NZ rivers are renowned for producing these huge brownies, some have also some nice populations of sea trout, which are worth to chas eon the fly in the estuaries.
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Rapael merci de tous ces infos...extraordinaire..
This should be a separate post as it is a long way from pollution in Sussex!

Check out the following Brown Trout, Seatrout and Coho and Atlantic salmon
as introduced to Kerguelen a long way SSE of Cape Town

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By Colin Buhariwalla surveying on Kerguelen
January 21, 2016 – stolen supper

[I]We navigated a westerly route around the coast to survey a few rivers in a valley. We hiked 8km with all our gear and set up to fish in the short estuary . Philippe and Pancho were successful in catching dinner (two beautiful sea run brown trout), however, a skua (bird) managed to steal one of the cleaned trout without us noticing. We crossed ‘Riviere des Glacieres’ and started up the river to do some electrofishing when we saw a group of six reindeer foraging on the hill ahead of us (200+ m). Finally after several minutes we got to work and had to navigate several dozen elephant seals to get a good position.

We electrofished our way up ‘rivieres des trois lacs’ and ‘rivieres des joncs’ finding all brown trout parr and smolts (stage when the fish are changing their physiology to head to the sea), but turned a few good 30cm+ fish. The scenery was breath-taking, with waterfalls in front of us and a babbling brooks around us and small native acaena (perennial plants) and sphagnum mosses lining the banks… a few dandelions scattered throughout). Keep in mind there are no trees outside PAF (there are two ceders on base) so you see as far as the cliffs and mountains permit. Away from the immediate vicinity of the water sources and areas of poor drainage, the landscape quickly changes to the Mars-like boulders discussed earlier. For the hike back we hiked up a small mountain/hill (200+ m) and traversed this tough terrain for two hours, navigating gorges, debris fields, and cliffs. It was a relief to round a cliff and see the fields of green acaena and the cabin nestled at the bass of the rocks—16k with 15-17kg of gear and difficult terrain was fun, but tiring.

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January 22, 2016 – return to base
On the last day at Malloy, we hiked 16km along the coast to fish a few more rivers and then returned to base in time for dinner and a hot, well deserved shower.
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But they do regularly fish for sea trout in the warmer southern waters!
Is a completely different fish, and only goes to a few lbs weight.
Hence the need for differentiation over there.
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I've fished for them on Long Island, the other name for them is Weakfish, I think they are found along much of the eastern seaboard of the USA and round into the Gulf of Mexico. The only similarity to trout is that they are spotted.

Names can sometimes be confusing with fish e.g. Cornish sardines, salmon trout, salmo trout and sea bass; all being inventions of the catering trade to make respectively pilchards, sea trout, sea reared rainbow trout and bass more appealing on a menu.
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Names can sometimes be confusing with fish e.g. Cornish sardines, salmon trout, salmo trout and sea bass; all being inventions of the catering trade to make respectively pilchards, sea trout, sea reared rainbow trout and bass more appealing on a menu.
Not to mention 'rock salmon', which is usually spurdog, and monkfish, which is usually angler fish (though there is a species, monkfish, but you rarely see it in fishmongers). And angler fish/monkfish often gets served in restaurants disguised as scampi - which can cover a multitude of things - most of them crustaceans.

I noticed our fishmonger with some additinoal thinly disguised exotica. I think one was witch, being sold as 'witch sole' or something? And megrim - can't remember what that one was.

Speaking of spurdog, I notice that many of the species we used to call dog fish are now called cat sharks.

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Type "salmo trutta Kerguelen" in your browser... Many more surprises: the trout population of this Island is derivating from a single genetic pool that was put in a single river in the 50's, and results in different behaviors, including migratory and non migratory populations.

In one river, all fish have a very similar genetic material but in neighbouring rivers, it appears that some changes are appearing...
Adaptive radiation - Darwin's finches but with trout. Evolution in action.

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Not to mention 'rock salmon', which is usually spurdog, and monkfish, which is usually angler fish (though there is a species, monkfish, but you rarely see it in fishmongers). And angler fish/monkfish often gets served in restaurants disguised as scampi - which can cover a multitude of things - most of them crustaceans.

I noticed our fishmonger with some additinoal thinly disguised exotica. I think one was witch, being sold as 'witch sole' or something? And megrim - can't remember what that one was.

Speaking of spurdog, I notice that many of the species we used to call dog fish are now called cat sharks.

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You're quite right! Only I think monkfish is now trendy enough to be too expensive to be a substitute for scampi. Even that was a misnomer, scampi is actually the same thing as langoustine or Dublin Bay prawn, even when the contents of the breadcrumb husk was crustacean it was very unlikely to have been actual scampi. In Wales, as well as dogfish (cat shark), conger was sometimes sold under the "rock salmon" label.

Megrim and witch are both sole like flatfish caught in UK waters for which there is a better market abroad, as is the case with langoustines. Also, I can never understand why brill is so much cheaper than turbot because once the skin is off it's hard to tell the difference...again trendiness I suspect!
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I think monkfish is now trendy enough to be too expensive to be a substitute for scampi.
You're absolutely right. Back in the day, angler fish (under the name monkfish) was a trash species that was the cheapest in the fishmonger's. The bargain lot that it was got picked up by the catering industry and peddled as 'scampi'. For the same reason it could be presented as scampi (that it doesn't flake when cooked) it caught on in things like Chinese cooking. So, nowadays, it's not far off being the most expensive fsh in the fishmonger's.

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