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    Quote Originally Posted by easker1 View Post
    where do you get your info from Col?
    I have been aware of the whole 2 subspecies thing and the inland v coastal differences for a long time, due to all the discussion on this forum.

    I Googled those links I posted. There are plenty more where they came from. I just Googled the inland subspecies, Phalacrocorax carbo sinensis, and got 230,000 hits.

    This one...

    https://www.ornisfennica.org/pdf/latest/5Beike.pdf

    ... references the source of the Chinese 'sinensis' name coming from folklore - Dutchmen brought them from China to use for fishing 'the Chinese way'. But apparently this was not an alien introduction of the subpecies to Europe, as is often claimed to give support to wanting to exterminate them all.

    My bird book, Collins' Bird Guide, does mention the sinensis subspecies. It references it nesting in trees and/or on the ground or in reed beds on lakes.

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    My Campbells Dictionary of Birds only gives carbo as a Eurasian spp, marine coastal in Europe and in inland waters from the Danube south, but there you go, that's all I have on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    How can you define non-native birds? Birds have wings and can choose where they fly to. Are ospreys non-native because they fly to the UK from Africa? Goosanders first bred in the UK in 1871. That is nearly 150 years ago. European cormorants... well, geographically at least, the British Isles are part of Europe and always will be. If you want to make a case for shooting fish-eating birds, then go ahead and make a case, but don't try to do it by implying they are species artificially introduced by man, when they are not.

    Col
    Seems to me you like splitting hairs, We all know what he means, If we don't start culling fish eating birds of all ilk we won't have ant juvenile stock left, Then there is a otter problem as well, And we must not forget our eastern European fishmongers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncas View Post
    Seems to me you like splitting hairs...
    Splitting hairs is the bedrock of good science!
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    Default Re: DEFRA consultation on shooting cormorants needs YOU!

    There was a cormorant shot under licence on the Spey this month with a 3 1/2 grilse in its gullet.

    Whilst out with the dogs at the weekend there was one asleep in a tree for 24hours at least, must have had something similer to digest.
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    Humans are the only species to cause extinctions in a lot of species , so we just carry on,comorants will not cause an extinction, they may deplete the stocks, but causing an extinction would be suicide to them, easker1

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    Quote Originally Posted by easker1 View Post
    Humans are the only species to cause extinctions in a lot of species , so we just carry on,comorants will not cause an extinction, they may deplete the stocks, but causing an extinction would be suicide to them, easker1
    Just one word for you Dinosaurs, did humans cause their extinction?
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    Now Willie, you know humans did not exist then, so it must have been aliens? or was it an exceptionally large asteroid hitting the Yucatan peninsular? it certainly wasn't cormorants,
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    There have been 5 previous mass extinctions in the Earth's history. None of the previous mass extinctions were caused by humans - as Derek rightly points out we were not around at the time of any of them - all many millions of years ago. However, we are now reckoned to be in the 6th mass extinction, and this one is due to human activity. We have even named it after ourselves...

    Anthropocene extinction

    It started with us killing all the mammoths at the end of the ice age, 10,000 years ago, and has been accelerating ever since. Species are going extinct before we even discover them!
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    Default Re: DEFRA consultation on shooting cormorants needs YOU!

    Quote Originally Posted by easker1 View Post
    Now Willie, you know humans did not exist then, so it must have been aliens? or was it an exceptionally large asteroid hitting the Yucatan peninsular? it certainly wasn't cormorants,
    easker1
    So the film with Rachel Welch wasn't based on fact then, disappointed I thought it was a documentary.
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