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Old 09-01-2018, 09:25 PM
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So months after creating this thread I finally got out on an urban river I fish sometimes. It was 3C the whole day with gale force gusts, but to begin with I wasn't fazed.

I got fishing first and fished unsuccessfully through a nice run. My pal took over, trying to temp a bright orange koi with a squirmy worm. He ended up with a foul hooked roach for his efforts!

We fished another couple of sections but no fish were caught from either. The cold was getting to me and I'd nearly lost the will to continue - for the first time in my life I couldn't use my hands properly, which I discovered when putting on a new fly. My thumb failed to function when spinning the line to form a blood knot!

We then fished a small weir, which rewarded me with an out of season trout! A bitter sweet capture as I was after chub, dace and roach.
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Old 11-01-2018, 01:01 PM
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The weather has been awful and the rivers have all been too high, but I couldn't sit inside a moment longer so I ventured out on an early lunch hour.

As you can see the stream is still high and mucky, but I caught a couple of Roach

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And what makes it extra special is I was using flies (well, sqirmy wormie variants) that I had tied myself.

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I bought myself fly tying gear as an xmas present, and this was from the first batch

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It definitely feels like a bonus when you catch on something you've tied yourself.

Hopefully the river levels will keep dropping and I can try some other patterns.
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T James, I enjoyed reading your post it made me smile. You certainly know it's cold when you're struggling to tie a fly on!
Yep it's hard fly fishing in winter, but get it right and a big slice of luck and it's very rewarding.
My hands suffer terribly in the cold, and now I need glasses for reading etc. So I give myself a chance and use a slightly bigger fly and leader.
I do this in the hope that the fish will see the bigger fly in the murky water. Also a big bait might be worth them chasing it!
However this is not always the case, again you've got to experiment.
Also fishing throughout the winter, is not a waste of time, even if you don't catch. This is because you are practicing casting, and honing your techniques. Come spring time you will be sharp and focused and things Will be easier.
Chub are a great winter fish as are roach and perch they will feed in the coldest temperatures. Another great winter feeding fish is the ide. Ide will take a fly at any time in both still and running water at all times of the year. This is a great thread keep up the posts!
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Old 11-01-2018, 09:22 PM
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Paul, I always fish through the winter, mostly on my nearest reservoir. I've fished for Grayling in the winter also but wanted to try my hand at coarse fish this year.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:58 AM
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The weather has been awful and the rivers have all been too high, but I couldn't sit inside a moment longer so I ventured out on an early lunch hour.

As you can see the stream is still high and mucky, but I caught a couple of Roach

Click the image to open in full size.

And what makes it extra special is I was using flies (well, sqirmy wormie variants) that I had tied myself.

Click the image to open in full size.


I bought myself fly tying gear as an xmas present, and this was from the first batch

Click the image to open in full size.

It definitely feels like a bonus when you catch on something you've tied yourself.

Hopefully the river levels will keep dropping and I can try some other patterns.
Hi Jerry.

That first "roach" looks more like a hybrid to me. (roach - bream).
It's deff. not a full roach.

Glad to hear you've got some tying gear at last.
Should help you greatly if you have the "knack" - some people just can't tie a good fly even after years of practice.
I've seen some shockers over the years from anglers who have tied for half of their lives.

ATB

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Old 13-01-2018, 09:27 AM
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Really enjoying this thread , although we dont have many coarse fish around me I still find it fascinating .
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Old 14-01-2018, 09:25 PM
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I was out again this afternoon on the Black Brook - yes, it really is called that.
The R. Sence nearby was still up and flowing as it had been last Sunday. I didn't fancy fishing that again. Last week was enjoyable but I'd much rather fish somewhere a touch clearer. I therefore headed just north of Leicester to the BB which always fines down faster than any other local streams.
I didn't get to it's banks until 12:30 but that is usually enough time for plenty of action.
As I'd hoped it was running pretty clear - actually a little clearer than I'd like but wading from upstream would send down enough artificial colour to make it perfect. You just need to keep those feet moving.

I decided to fish the downstream section which is about a mile long ending where it runs into the R. Soar. This is a length I don't know very well having not fished it for several years. The last time it was awful but since then the whole brook has improved loads so I was pretty confident it would deliver the goods.

The first swim below where I entered the narrow river was perfect for a few fish but I only managed to miss a couple of taps before the action stopped.
Wading down through it revealed loads of chub and dace in the upper thigh deep water- I should have caught at least one!
I thought it needed more colour so made my way slowly down to the next pool, kicking the silt margins on route. You have to do this to both sides so I regularly crossed over whenever it was shallow (pretty much everywhere!) and soon had a "smoke screen" to fish into.
What a difference that extra cover made as I caught an 8oz chub. This was under my rod tip from a 2 foot deep marginal slack.

The next wide slow pool was deepest on the far side with some tree and root cover. This really out performed what I though it was worth giving up 3 chub, 2 dace and 3 perch before bites dried.
Periodically, I had to rest it and walk back upstream kicking around in the margins to re-activate the colour. This would result in instant action when the flies went back in.
When I finally decided it was done I got a shock as the very tail of the near side was stuffed with better chub. These went everywhere as I waded through them...I should have tried there but thought it was super shallow.

The action continued from almost every swim but no one spot was as productive as that one. Most "good" holes or runs would give up a fish or two. A wide bend yielded 2 nice perch from under the far bank overhanging branches. A narrow fast run into a wider drop off gave my only double header of the afternoon. Those two fish also being the best 2 of the session - an 8oz dace & a pound chub. Would have made a great photo if I'd got a camera.

The bottom half of the brook changed from shallow and gravel/sand bottomed to slower, deeper and muddy. The fishing also changed from excellent to poor down there.
I only added 5 perch from there but lost lots of flies to the branches that had settled in the silt of the slower flowing water.

I should have concentrated on the upper faster swims as I recon I would have topped 50 fish easily but 32 was still a great result.

Fun fishing and plenty of action on a cold winter day...well short "day" as I was off the river at 4pm.

Total : 14 perch, 10 dace, 6 chub & 2 roach.

Back on track for my 30 plus average catch.

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I swap over to perch and pike come winter because sitting behind the vice only puts off cabin fever for so long! Just to prove that I do actually catch on some of the big pike flies I tie here’s one from yesterday. Having got a little bored of chasing wee Jacks on the local canal, myself and a buddy made the 2 hour trek down to the Somerset Levels. Glad we did too because after an hour I netted my first double on the fly.Click the image to open in full size.

We had a couple of other takes but nothing else stuck - we’ll definitely be back before the winters done though.



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Old 21-01-2018, 04:18 PM
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Yesterday myself and Pete headed out again for some more small brook action.
We decided to meet at one of our favourite banker brooks the Ise in Kettering - tiny but stuffed with coarse fish and the most quality roach I've seen in years.
I'm still to catch a 1lb+ one from it yet despite seeing several shoals in the summer. It's probably those roach which keep drawing me back despite having similar brooks closer by.
Yesterday I had a nightmare- the 50 minute drive ended up taking nearly two and a half hours! Don't ask.
Not surprisingly Pete was already fishing when I eventual got there at 1:30!!!
We were meant to meet at 11:30. Not the start I wanted plus it was raining pretty heavily with some sleet mixed in as the cherry on the cake.
I almost didn't even want to fish but after rigging up the nightmare journey & the resultant stress was subsiding...thank god for fishing!

The brook was "up" and pretty coloured but deff. fishable unlike most of the streams in England yesterday. It's another venue that takes more rain than you'd expect to be "blown".
Pete had only managed one roach and lost another before I'd arrived so I didn't have much to do to catch up.
I soon did that with a nice roach from an open wide swim but that was it from there save for a couple more plucks.
The next area we tried is a winter banker but usually only for 3 or 4 fish.
It's a slower, slight bend which is a little deeper than average but still only about 14/15 foot wide. The near side of this, when it's up like yesterday, is almost still or even slightly backing up. Whilst standing well back I just flicked my 2 flies into the flow and held them tight so they drifted into the slacker nearside. Here there was the added fish holding cover of last years stingers, their dying brown stems extending out over the water forming a 3ft canopy. Luckily this ended just where the slack water started.
Everything about the swim was perfect - depth, cover, slack water next to the main flow and it held fish. The 4 nice perch and 2 roach which I caught in the next 10 minutes proved that.
Pete also had 4 fish from it so 12 in total was way more than expected.

Below that swim was a swirly pool with a narrow shallower head. I was sure it held fish but wasn't certain my team of 2 were getting down. Out with the BB shot. One clipped on the line just above the dropper knot and the next two tries resulted in another 2 nice roach.

I added odd fish from most banker swims but it was harder than both of us had expected.
Finally I tried a swim which in summer holds loads of good perch. I had 14 out of it up to around a pound when it was warmer. There are usually a few good chub lurking around the far bank alder roots and several roach over a pound in the deeper middle channel. It always gets some attention from me in the warmer months but in winter I really don't know it at all.
I thought the main flow was a touch fast for roach so tried pushing my rod right over the far side to fish the slack far side margin below the jutting out alder...I could have done with 15ft of rod though. I didn't want to jump in to get closer as it's about 4ft in the edge.
That didn't work so I tried the slightly slacker nearside margin just downstream a little. Only one single tap from there but that was from a lovely 8-10oz roach. Not my pounder but a special one on fly from a brook all the same.
Back on with an extra BB and a pound chub came out from right next to the tree roots.
I don't usually do the whole split shot thing but it worked both times I tried it yesterday so maybe I should more often?

Total : 16 fish - 10 roach, 4 perch & 2 chub

All the roach were nice hand sized fish, plus that bigger one & the perch all around the 6-8oz mark. Not huge fish but all fun on a 2/3 wt rod.
Pete ended with 8 or 9 fish. We were both expecting 20 plus but considering the cold it was a good result...not my 30 plus fish average though.

Is anyone else getting out or is it just us two and Jerry on his lunch breaks?

You've been told how to do it - it's not rocket science!

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Old 21-01-2018, 08:59 PM
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Hi Dave
Can I ask what flies you were using ? I have a little river near me in York that has roach perch and chub but I'm unsure what flies to target them with. also do you fish using an indicator ?

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