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    Default Sawyers Pheasant Tail - Wire used ?

    Can anyone clarify about the wire used on the "proper" tying of the Pheasant Tail Nymph.

    Ollie Edwards suggests that you have to use a lacquered (red looking ) type but it seems to be out of date / not used by electricians.

    Is normal slim copper wire available from Fly Tying suppliers good enough in people's experience ?

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    Spider,

    I use the dark colored enamelled copper wire I obtained from two sources, one commercial and one scavenged.

    The commercial source is in spools marketed by Veniard.

    Cheers,
    Hans W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider
    Can anyone clarify about the wire used on the "proper" tying of the Pheasant Tail Nymph.

    Ollie Edwards suggests that you have to use a lacquered (red looking ) type but it seems to be out of date / not used by electricians.

    Is normal slim copper wire available from Fly Tying suppliers good enough in people's experience ?
    You can use all sorts of colours including fuse wire.

    It's a material like any other so mix and match to suit the nymphs you are attempting fakes of.

    I have some of the "original red" that came out of an old transformer for a model railway, but fuse wire makes a very attractive effect with olive rather than red pheasant tail fibres. The variations are filled with possibilities.

    richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider
    Can anyone clarify about the wire used on the "proper" tying of the Pheasant Tail Nymph.

    Ollie Edwards suggests that you have to use a lacquered (red looking ) type but it seems to be out of date / not used by electricians.

    Is normal slim copper wire available from Fly Tying suppliers good enough in people's experience ?

    Being an electronic engineer in another life I had this in my toolbox.



    38 gauge (swg) red enamlled coper wire.

    Just looking at the wooden reel you can tell how old it is.

    Original weight 1lb 9oz 14drs. Would someone older and wiser please tell me what a drs is?

    As people on the forum have suggested it would originally have been used for making small transformers or radio coils.

    The reason I have it in the first place is another winter hobby of mine.


    Fixing up old radios like this one. A 1950's Bush DAC10. None of that digital rubbish. This thing still has valves in it.


    Spider if you PM me your address i will send you a couple of yards.

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    Default drs

    drs is, I think, drams (no, not the Scotch type!)

    There are 16 drams in an ounce, according to google!

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Weilenmann
    Spider,

    I use the dark colored enamelled copper wire I obtained from two sources, one commercial and one scavenged.

    The commercial source is in spools marketed by Veniard.

    Cheers,
    Hans W
    Round the average house there will be dead phone chargers transformer ect for the hi tech gear we use today ,look inside them often there is a fair amount of coiled fine wire .Use that and spend money on your fishing !
    Andy Wren
    Still fishing but slowly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogg
    drs is, I think, drams (no, not the Scotch type!)

    There are 16 drams in an ounce, according to google!

    Dave
    correct I think from my old welding days!!!!
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    Seeing your picture of that receiver cerberos takes me back some years , do you remember 6k8 6k7 6v6 6j5 etc
    Dapper

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    Round the average house there will be dead phone chargers transformer ect for the hi tech gear we use today ,look inside them often there is a fair amount of coiled fine wire .Use that and spend money on your fishing !
    But it will be the wrong colour.

    Modern varnishes give a very gold/coppery colour. If you want the authentic red colour for Sawyer patterns you will need to find some old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberos
    But it will be the wrong colour.

    Modern varnishes give a very gold/coppery colour. If you want the authentic red colour for Sawyer patterns you will need to find some old stuff.
    I recently found plenty of red coated copper wire in a Halfords Battery Charger which expired after 13 months
    Bob
    "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is" - Wordsworth (Quilled on his day off)

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