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    Default Jock Scott mark ll

    Well this fly has been sitting around in the vice half finished for about a week now as I was trying to get hold of some white tipped turkey to complete the underwing, it's a nightmare to get hold of and some I got was far too small and....but anyway finally got the fly finished. Not quite as par to the original by John Scott as I stuck some Amherst in the wing and there aint no Florican or Florican sub in there but have got the peacock sword in along the top of the wing and under the mallard roof, which will probably drop down so i can see why some tie it as part of the underwing. I'd still like to get the sides a bit better but better shape to the wing again.
    I am sending this fly to Wullie (Silversedge) who tirelessly ties flies for the LTC auction putting in god knows how many hours of his valued time and expects nowt in return. So this ones for you Wullie you deserve it and it was all my pleasure to tie it but for godsake don't fish it as it's not fully gutted and you might disturb the peacock sword Mind you fishing is what these things were designed for, my how time's have changed. Tied on size 2/0.









    Thanks for looking and all comments welcome

    cheers

    mark
    Last edited by wingman; 20-09-2012 at 03:38 PM.

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    Nice one Mark

    Did you tie the white tip turkey in as an underwing, or did you marry it to the main wing? (should be tied separately and the main wing rest on it)

    I think the tail is still a tad high, and i'd like the sides to be a bit longer (like you mentioned)
    One other thing, its hard to see in the photo, but i'd make all the mainwing sections the same number of fibers? You probably did by my old eye (33yo) aren't what they used to be.

    Cracking fly without my nit picking though
    Still waiting on that gut, should be here today or tomorrow.
    I tied a Baron last week, but didnt photograph it, actually ashamed to as the underwing criss crossed and i only realized when i'd finished, so i think i'm gonna have to strip it down....

    Eunan
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    Quote Originally Posted by s fontinalis View Post
    Nice one Mark

    Did you tie the white tip turkey in as an underwing, or did you marry it to the main wing? (should be tied separately and the main wing rest on it)

    I think the tail is still a tad high, and i'd like the sides to be a bit longer (like you mentioned)
    One other thing, its hard to see in the photo, but i'd make all the mainwing sections the same number of fibers? You probably did by my old eye (33yo) aren't what they used to be.

    Cracking fly without my nit picking though
    Still waiting on that gut, should be here today or tomorrow.
    I tied a Baron last week, but didnt photograph it, actually ashamed to as the underwing criss crossed and i only realized when i'd finished, so i think i'm gonna have to strip it down....

    Eunan
    Thanks Eunan, the turkey underwing is actually tied in as the underwing and not married with the other fibres of the main wing, its maybe just the way it looks in the photo but my white tipped turkey was really c"*p so not easy to work with, infact its not my favourite material at the moment. Aye the tail is probably a tad too high, I measured it to be the height of the hook gape depth as I wanted to see the effect of a slightly deeper wing that matched the hook gape, normally I'd go for three quarters hookgape. I had 7 different fibres GP tail, Amherst, Bustard, peacock wing (all had 4 firbre each and the three colours had 3 fibres each, but yes I know for uniformity to try and keep them all the same, so nothing wrong with your yes, but mine

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    finding good turkey is like finding rocking horse dung these days!

    I found a nice breeder online that sells feathers in the off season (oct though the winter). I"m eagerly waiting to see what they have and whether the quality is good. If you're interested i'll let you in on the secret
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    Another work of Art Mark.
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    Very nice tying as normal

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    Nice fly Mark

    As someone who has been tying flies nigh on 35 years, all I'll say is don't worry about tails being slightly long etc - is there ever a perfect fly - Your individuality as a fly dresser is what is important.

    Some of my flies may be judged as being to bulky here and there - but I like them- and they catch fish.

    Thanks for sharing your flies with us - they are excellent.

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    Thanks again Blackknight and Andypandy, not bad for a beginner eh


    Quote Originally Posted by s fontinalis View Post
    finding good turkey is like finding rocking horse dung these days!

    I found a nice breeder online that sells feathers in the off season (oct though the winter). I"m eagerly waiting to see what they have and whether the quality is good. If you're interested i'll let you in on the secret
    aye no probs Eunan hush hush wink wink say no more i'd like to tie a few more JS's as its a good pattrn to practice on so some decent turkey will make all the difference, thanks for the offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearlmuddler View Post
    Nice fly Mark

    As someone who has been tying flies nigh on 35 years, all I'll say is don't worry about tails being slightly long etc - is there ever a perfect fly - Your individuality as a fly dresser is what is important.

    Some of my flies may be judged as being to bulky here and there - but I like them- and they catch fish.

    Thanks for sharing your flies with us - they are excellent.
    Thanks Pearlmuddler, i know what your'e saying as all the books I seem to look in the tyers all have there own individuality, Radencich for example has flies with very high tails and deep tippet underwings with narrow wings and not legit when it comes to traditional classic proportions IMO but they still look great and would definitley catch fish. Infact if you look at....you can yawn here if you want to.......the plates from kelson's book 'The Salmon Fly' you'll see that the wings look very top heavy on most of the flies, short and deep, not like most of the classic repros that we see today. i must admit being a novice I'm still confused as to what are the true proportions or blueprint that represents a traditional salmon fly.personally...yawn again if you want.....I feel that I'm quite happy with the proportions on this fly, to me if it looks like a Jock Scott then that's enough and all I'm doing now is playing around with different tail heights, wing lengths etc to see what I like the best, or should I say my idea of how a salmon fly should look (which may not be to everyones liking I know) and more importantly that it is constructed soundly and securely in correct form bringing out the best in each of the materials used. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    Last edited by wingman; 20-09-2012 at 09:30 PM.

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    Stunning Mark,it will be a pleasure to look at that "flee" framed on my desk
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