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Old 14-07-2017, 10:15 AM
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Does anyone have experience tying and fishing Oliver Edwards' nymphs?

I was reading his "Flytying Masterclass" last night. In it he asserts that more realistic patterns catch more fish, especially on glides where fish have more time to study their meal.

While I love the look of his nymphs and larva in particular can anyone shed light on whether they really do outperform traditional tyings such as the PTN? and are worth the extra tying time?

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In my experience......!
I've got his book and videos, read articles by him, got the materials and struggled to tie the flies due them having too many materials to tie onto the hooks. He used far bigger hook than me, I was attempting to tie on hooks that was in size to the invertebrates I saw. Saying that, I have tied and used one pattern that was successful, his "Rhyacophila Pupae". With some of his patterns I felt they lacked life, no flash or movement.
The beauty with fly tying you can take a pattern, give it a tweak to see if you can improve it. You may also find leaving some material out (or substituting) will not detract from the effectiveness of the finished fly.
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To be able to tie his flies it is defo worth it because you will learn some skills and methods you can carry over to your own flies.

Is it worth fishing them ? Nope, not for me anyway and I have tried then on a few rivers, the bog standard pheasant tail and hares ear are hard to beat.

Oliver Edwards is a legend as far as I am concerned, I have all his dvd's and books and I could listen to him talk about fishing all day, if you fish rivers you will learn loads from his DVD series.
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Just to tie Ollie's flies are a big enough problem,as he is a leftie,so his drawings may well be a bit off putting to a lot of tyers.! The confidence required to fish those flies,and any of your own for that matter is essential to catching your quarrie.! I have fished Ollies flies tied my way and caught, but have always done better with my own creations,where the confidence factor wins the day.!
So,in my humble opinion,exact imitation may or may not be crucial,so i will go for Richard Walker's Chinaman symbol. !!

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I have tied a few and they are a bit of a balls ache. They look good..... do they catch any more fish than a more impressionistic easier tie... I'm not sure tbh.....id rather fish a grhe or ptn and not worry about losing half an hours tying up a tree....
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I would go one further than old gold and say no they do not catch more fish than impressionistic flies like PTNs and HEs.

I agree though with earlier comments that they are worth tying for tying sake, you will learn loads, they are fun to tie and look great.

Like PFM I also have his books and all the dvds and they are great with excellent information.


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In a word. No.
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Just to tie Ollie's flies are a big enough problem,as he is a leftie,so his drawings may well be a bit off putting to a lot of tyers.!
I'm a leftie, so should find his tying right up my alley... but... not only is Ollie a leftie, but he winds 'over the top towards himself'. Got to be the smallest group of 4 options... but then again, what's wrong with being a minority? If it's a problem for you, just watch his videos in a mirror.

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Oliver Edwards is a legend in his own mind. Deerstalker and all!

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As another leftie who also ties the wrong way like Ollie, i have no trouble with the drawings and instructions but, most of his flies are construction jobs. I like to tie flies that take 1 to 5 minutes at most and not 20 minutes to half an hour. Yes they are great patterns and they do work but getting them exactly right is a pain in the bum. I'm sure if I tied nothing else they would become easier in time. Fulling Mill ran a series of Ollie patterns for a while but the way they were tied had to be changed to make them commercially viable.

I suppose it comes down to "do what you want to do" . I have tied all the patterns in the Masterclass book. I don't tie any of them for my own use and I refuse orders for them unless they are prepared to pay me around 4 to 5 per fly.

The best thing Ollie has ever produced imho is the videos and dvd showing the fishing of the flies.

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