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    Question Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    Here is a letter I sent to one of the leading UK fly tying and fly fishing magazines which they chose not to publish. Now I'm not into conspiracy theorising or any of that stuff, nor do I want to alert the antis any, but I think the question I'm asking is both pertinent and relevant, so here's what I asked. (Make up your own theories of why it was ignored .. although you get used to it after a while!):
    Something has been troubling me for many a moon now. It's really just a niggle, a recurring doubt, particularly when I'm at the vice a-fiddling and a-faffing around. Many years ago, split lead shot was banished by law, including leger weights etc., and soon afterwards the shooting fraternity also had to stop using lead. The reason given was the (fatal) ingestion of lead shot strewn around the countryside, poisoning the wildfowl and other critters. Fair enough, I got over it. But there's the rub, the niggle is that I still use lead wire or sometimes sheet, to add weight to some patterns. I admit to losing some flies to the ever-lurking trees and bushes, also clumsy, lifeless fingertips, meaning there is the clear and present danger for a bit of my lead to somehow be ingested by a critter, feathered or otherwise. Here's the question: Am I breaking the law? It's not losing me sleep at night, frankly, but I don't want to give the antis an easy shot (forgive the pun). Any legal, or factual, opinion would be welcome and very useful. I've seen non-lead wire oft-used in US tying videos, but very little from the UK about it, and nothing advertised.
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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    I think you are worrying unduly.
    Lead shot and split leads were banned because they are approximately the size of pebble/grit that birds ingest to help grind up the food in their crops, but a leaded hook would not be appropriate for that at all.

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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by lipslicker View Post
    I think you are worrying unduly.
    Lead shot and split leads were banned because they are approximately the size of pebble/grit that birds ingest to help grind up the food in their crops, but a leaded hook would not be appropriate for that at all.
    What he said.

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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    I have had similar thoughts... This is the legal bit....
    4.2 The Control of Pollution (Anglers’ Lead Weights) Regulations 1986, made under
    sections 100 and 104(1) of the Control of Pollution Act 1974, made it illegal to
    import and sell lead weights (including any alloy or compound of lead) for the
    purpose of weighting anglers’ fishing lines. The 1986 Regulations defined ‘lead
    weights’ as split shot or any other thing suitable for weighting fishing lines unless
    it was incorporated in the core of the line, or in the construction of swim feeders,
    self-cocking floats or fishing lines. The prohibition on supply and importation of
    such weights did not apply to weights of 0.06 grams or less, or more than 28.35
    grams.

    Not sure but it seems to me that there might be a bit of a grey area here, maybe some clever legal dude could cause a problem... ?

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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    I have noticed that Scottp, whos based in the States, uses nontoxic sheets or wire when he ties a nymph and ive wondered where I could get some as well.
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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    That's the worry … forewarned is forearmed!
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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    I'm sure the law has been reworded because it used to say something along the lines of "no lead attached directly or indirectly to the tackle" (whatever indirectly meant...). The upshot of which was that all Flying C's were illegal (not that anyone ever noticed).

    Anyway you can rest easy because it now says:

    3.7 Lead weights
    You must not use any form of lead weight attached to a fishing line other than those of 0.06g (size No. 8) or less, or of more than 28.35g (1 ounce).
    This does not include lead incorporated into a weighted line, swim-feeder or fishing fly or lure.



    Taken from the full national byelaws here
    National and regional byelaws for England - freshwater fishing with a rod and line - GOV.UK



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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    Lead in any form/place is increasingly prohibited in America. As I fish there I moved to copper wire (it worked for Frank Sawyer) with no change in catch rates.

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    Default Re: Maybe a cat among the pigeons, but ... lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by sum olgy View Post
    Lead in any form/place is increasingly prohibited in America. As I fish there I moved to copper wire (it worked for Frank Sawyer) with no change in catch rates.
    Apart from in semi-automatic assault rifle bullets, eh?!
    Typical yanks, LOL

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