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    Thanks Mark. So my Goose is not that bad then. I was a bit dissapointed with the length of those feathers myself. I tried a few different brands so far and the longest fibres I have are from Nature's Spirit so will stick to them for now.

    I totally understand your frustration with prices and availability of materials these days. I am just starting to build my collection and it's not cheap. Not only that, I am really struggling to get hold of some materials so can't even moan about prices. Think it's time to start stockpiling Bustard feathers because prices are not getting any lower...

    I'll try to presuade my other half to do some photos this weekend so will hopefully post some flies by Monday.

    Cheers,
    Sebastian

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    Quote Originally Posted by baca157 View Post
    Thanks Mark. So my Goose is not that bad then. I was a bit dissapointed with the length of those feathers myself. I tried a few different brands so far and the longest fibres I have are from Nature's Spirit so will stick to them for now.

    I totally understand your frustration with prices and availability of materials these days. I am just starting to build my collection and it's not cheap. Not only that, I am really struggling to get hold of some materials so can't even moan about prices. Think it's time to start stockpiling Bustard feathers because prices are not getting any lower...

    I'll try to presuade my other half to do some photos this weekend so will hopefully post some flies by Monday.

    Cheers,
    Sebastian
    He used to have very long goose shoulder when I first started getting it off him and he was fairly consistent but the last few times I wouldn't class them as XL for sure. Thanks for the info on Natures Spirit haven't tried them yet so might give them a wizz sometime. I've used turkey on the last two big flies and found it fairly easy to tie in if I dampen the butts of the wing near the tie in point, seems to soften those bulky fibres up a lot. So might look out for some more as I see it for sale on Facebook now and again, will give you a shout if I see any at a decent price. If you live in the US then your laughing when it comes to Bustard as they can get it for basically nowt off John McClaine at FeathersMC due to the Bustard program they have but then they try to flog it to us at 90 quid a pair it's just insane. I only have small bustard feather left now so i'm really stretched for larger flies. As per pics I'm waiting ........................

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    Nature’s Spirit Select Goose are very nice. You get 6 feathers per pack and most will be decent size. I just measured fibres on a couple larger feathers and they are 70mm long. You’ll usually get two feathers like that in each pack with other being 50-60mm. Colours are very nice too. Funky Flytying have a decent selection.

    I haven’t tried Turkey yet but got some recently from John McClaine in the US. Sadly, he didn’t include any Bustard feathers with my order, even though I gave him US shipping address (my sister lives in Indiana) Given the price of those Turkey feathers, I’ll keep them for bigger flies I’ll be tying once I get better. Let me know if you see any Turkey in the UK as I’ll definitely be up for buying more.

    Cheers,
    Sebastian

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    Interesting fly, the hackle being so long compared to the wing looks unbalanced to me. Not having a go at either the tying (which is beautiful) or the pattern, its just interesting. Most traditional salmon flies seem to be tied "for the fisherman", this one seems to look "wrong" for the fisherman but probably a better pattern for the salmon.

    Certainly no criticism intended and please do not take any offence, it just shows the spectrum of salmon flies.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by themind View Post
    Interesting fly, the hackle being so long compared to the wing looks unbalanced to me. Not having a go at either the tying (which is beautiful) or the pattern, its just interesting. Most traditional salmon flies seem to be tied "for the fisherman", this one seems to look "wrong" for the fisherman but probably a better pattern for the salmon.

    Certainly no criticism intended and please do not take any offence, it just shows the spectrum of salmon flies.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Steve

    Thanks Steve no offence taken but I know where you're coming from when you say the fly looks unbalanced so maybe I can explain to make things a bit clearer. The Black Dog is probably considered to be more of a Spey fly than say the average fully dressed salmon fly. Spey flies usually have much longer throat/body hackles which go well past the hook bend as you might know. There are numerous versions of the Black Dog but typically most of them have long Heron hackles dyed black for the body and throat hackle. So even though you might think it looks wrong or unbalanced this is the way it's supposed to be tied. It's probably my all time favourite salmon fly having tied it numerous times and is one of the more difficult dressing's to execute and has an almost cult following among modern day classic salmon fly tiers. Hope that's explained a few things anyway.

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    Seb, we should "talk turkey" as I have some different sources !

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkle View Post
    Seb, we should "talk turkey" as I have some different sources !
    Anders Stahl on Facebook usually has some nice ones although I've only bought some off him the once when I first started on classics. Very nice they were to until I absolutely annihilated them on my first few flies. Luckily a certain Mr. Carne kindly gave me some after my one and only salmon fly tying lesson which I'd kept for a rainy day, that lot got snuffled n all..
    Last edited by wingman; Yesterday at 05:03 PM.

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    Mark, Seb's not on facebook, despite me trying to get him there. Hence the need to "talk turkey" !

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