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    Just my tuppenceworth...

    I reckon it's easier to tie in the two feathers, than to faff about with marker pens or buy an expensive cree cape that is sufficiently well-marked to give you the striking effect that the grizzle/red game combo gives. Even if I had a good-enough cree cape, I would prefer to use the grizzle/red game combo.

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    You asked...
    Quote Originally Posted by kingf000 View Post
    Does anyone know why the parachute adams uses both brown and grizzle cock feathers?
    My point was if the guy designed it that way, anything less than a grizzle and a red game isn't an Adams.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingf000 View Post
    Sorry, but I didn't think your point was relevant. If you look back to what I originally said, I didn't claim that my fly was a parchute adams. In fact, I clearly stated that a parachute adams is a fly with the two feathers, I just wanted to know if anyone knew why.
    So we are not talking about an Adams after all then....silly me, I must be confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wee Jimmy View Post
    You asked...

    My point was if the guy designed it that way, anything less than a grizzle and a red game isn't an Adams.



    So we are not talking about an Adams after all then....silly me, I must be confused.
    Sorry, it is me that is silly. I've just looked at my book 'The history of fishing in 50 flies' and the adams is actually in there. It was 'invented' by Leonard Halladay for Charles Adams and it was named after him because he was the first to use it. Originally it had a body of grey yarn, golden pheasant tail and the grizzle/brown double hackle. However, the book doesn't say why that hackle was used. Eventually this mutated: the tail was changed to the same as the hackle and muskrat fur used for the body. Now Antron is mainly used, though I use grey aero wing for added bouyancy. The parachute version kept as close as possible to the mutated version. I've started using the 2mm foam from Hobbycraft for the post, which I've found to be great and cheap! I double it up to 4mm for the larger flies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly face View Post
    I like the term "variant".

    Could start another thread here!
    How many materials do you need to change to go from a variant to a completely different specimen?
    FYI:

    In the USA the term "variant" has a specific connotation. It means a Catskill dry without the upright wings. For example, if the fly below was tied without the upright wings and only the palmered hackle, then it would be a "variant."




    The fly below is a "variant".



    I tie a lot of parachute adams and like all fly tying, the more you tie, the better you get at it. I use UV resin to stiffen the post and provide the base for the hackle so that saves time because I do not need to wrap the post with thread to stiffen it for the hackle wraps.



    You can also glue the hackle down with UV resin as in the video below. I personally do not use this method. I prefer to fix to the post by tying the hackle off on the post. This raises the hackle up a bit so the body of the fly rests more in the film like an emerger.



    Here is Charlie Craven tying a parachute Adams in 2 minutes.

    Last edited by silver creek; 12-08-2019 at 01:00 PM.
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    Many thanks for this. I've just tried the uv to the post and it was brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philm View Post
    If you should find two please give me a shout. Genetic Cree is like rocking horse **** at the moment.

    Phil
    I think some places stock Metz Cree this side of the pond as I’ve seen some advertised recently .
    Someone was showing off some cracking Cree capes on Facebook a few months back on some group or other , he and a few friends bred their own if I remember correctly ... tother’ side of pond ... beautiful capes/colours.
    Last edited by lukewarm; 12-08-2019 at 06:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukewarm View Post
    I think some places stock Metz Cree this side of the pond as I’ve seen some advertised recently .
    Someone was showing off some cracking Cree capes on Facebook a few months back on some group or other , he and a few friends bred their own if I remember correctly ... tother’ side of pond ... beautiful capes/colours.
    Speaking of cree, here is a photo of Dr. Whiting with one of his cree roosters.



    I have about 6 crees that I have collected over the years.

    Here's a current Whiting Bronze Cree Saddle and a Silver Cree Neck.




    Here is the old Metz saddle.





    Close up of newer saddle:





    Close up of older saddle. Notice how the brown barring gradually fades into the white.




    When tied to a fly, the newer hackle looks much better. The older saddle looks good in the package but because of the very distinct transition from dark to light on the newer hackle, the hackled flies really "pop".
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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Speaking of cree, here is a photo of Dr. Whiting with one of his cree roosters.
    Amazing looking creature! But where has Dr Whiting got his right hand???
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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Speaking of cree, here is a photo of Dr. Whiting with one of his cree roosters.

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    Just saying like.

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    Default Re: Parachute adams

    Any material subtracted from the original recipe makes that particular lure a variant, as does another material added to the recipe.
    2019 & it will be time for a change.

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