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    Default Partridge and Orange

    As a fully paid up member of the Spiders Supporters Club I guess its a bit odd that I dont fish the Partridge and Orange.

    The reason is that I cant get the "right" Pearsalls Orange but more to the point, I find that Partridge feather fibres are very long and the overall fly does not match the dimensions of say a Snipe and Yellow or Greenwells Spider ( a ridiculously good Spider but the way, but not very heralded ) .

    Am I doing this wrong ?

    I tend to tie my Spiders using the butt end of the hackle.......

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    Try tying them in like this... http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10942
    You use the smaller end of the feather that way.

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    What is the correct orange, is it #6 or #6A or does it matter ?

    I very rarely fish the P & O but this year it has been the killing pattern for me, at times I have three on a cast.

    I need to tie some more up hence my genuine question re. the recognised proper thread colour to use.

    I usually tie my feathers in by the tip.

    Cam

    p.s. by "killing pattern" I mean most succesfull, usually I put them back

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    Tango,

    Try tying them in like this... http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10942
    You use the smaller end of the feather that way.
    Uh... how do you figure that? As long as you wrap the exact same section of the stem, why would it be advantageous to tie in by tip over tie in by butt?

    Color me puzzled...

    Cheers,
    Hans W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Weilenmann
    Tango,



    Uh... how do you figure that? As long as you wrap the exact same section of the stem, why would it be advantageous to tie in by tip over tie in by butt?

    Color me puzzled...

    Cheers,
    Hans W
    Hans, that is true if the feather is being stripped down to the same section, if it is just getting the waste fluff stripped off it then tied in it will use the longer fibres. Until Spider tells us exactly how he prepares the feather to be tied in it is guesswork, I took it that with the fibres being too long he was not stripping far enough down the stalk, therefore tying in by the tip would solve the problem. The other way as you suggest would be to strip from the butt to the correct length fibres, tie in by the butt and wrap. Two solutions to the one problem.

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    Tango,

    Indeed.

    It was the absolute nature of your statement which triggered my response. I can be a very gullible 'trout'

    Both approaches can produce fine looking flies, but on the whole I think the butt tie-in has a number of advantages, and mostly has my vote.

    Your mileage may vary

    Cheers,
    Hans W

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    The main problem with tying in by the tip is that the stalk can break easily as you are wrapping, I have always tied in by the tip and doing it by the stalk feels alien to me. Just one of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango51
    The main problem with tying in by the tip is that the stalk can break easily as you are wrapping, I have always tied in by the tip and doing it by the stalk feels alien to me. Just one of those things.
    Certainly so

    I tie in by the tip too - as I feel the stalk's less likely to break in the hackle pliers. With soft hackles.

    Strange isn't it

    .D.

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    Thanks lads

    I currently lay the feather on the hook and tie the stalk along the shank .

    So I guess that means that I tie in by the stalk, not by the tip.

    ( Sorry no pictures )

    I think the Partridge feathers I have are just too big ( they were sold as spare hackles ) so I may need to buy a full skin?

    I'd rather not do this ( running out of space in my box, smelly etc ) so can anyone advise what part of the body might be best and I can call that fine man at Cookshill ?

    Also, I gather Orange 6A is fine - ie not Hot Orange.
    Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of God.

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    No offers on the original question then?

    I don't use Pearsall's silk, so can't really help.

    Oliver Edwards (in The World's Best Trout Flies) says the prescribed 6A isn't what it used to be.

    So what is everyone using?

    Cheers,

    .D.

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