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Old 18-04-2011, 01:07 PM
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The Fladen 7' 3# is well worth considering .. outstanding value for money
WOW this might well get my small stream fishing up and running
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Old 18-04-2011, 01:16 PM
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Yup Fladen vantage 7ft 3 weight would be my choice too for something you can bash about in overgrown streams. I'd put a 4 weight on it for short casts. Lovely little rod.

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Whoa! Back up there a bit!

You've all lost me.

So there's the rod # which should be matched to the line # and the higher the line # the heavier it is, right?

And heavy line is good for long and/or powerful casting.

So at the one end of the range there's high numbered rods and lines for salmon and sea fishing and other end there's low nos for brooks and burns?

(Reservoirs come somewhere between the two?)

I understand a bit about tapered leaders (work like a whip, getting thinner and transferring the energy smoothly) and, of course, hook sizes (being a bait fisherman I already catch trout on 12, 14 and 16).

At that end of the line I've already ordered a 4x and a 5x from The Essential Fly shop and have some wet and dry flies, plus some nymphs and buzzers.

So I *think* I want a 7 foot rod with a 3 to 4 rating and matching line. Does that sound about right?

(The fish are anything between 0.5lb and 1.5lb. The stream is mostly about six to eight feet wide and of greatly varying depth and speed; some glides, pools and riffles. There's also the usual vegetation, overhang and so on. I guess short casts are the order of the day!)

Thanks, this a steep learning curve but one I'm keen to make.
Sorry, will start again.

Rods are numbered depending on the line they are designed to cast. Lines are numbered depending on the weight they are. So a number 3 line is 100 grains (5.8grams) in weight for the first 30 feet. A number 3 rod is designed to cast comfortably (i.e. its sweet spot) 30foot of a number three line.

However it can also equally cast 24ft of a number 4 line which also weighs 100 grains. (i.e. a full 30 foot of a 4 line weighs 120 grains total).

It depends on what distance you are fishing at.

Line wise, due to the short distances involved, you need to over line your rod by 1 rating to help it 'work'.

If you are on small brooks constantly a shorter rod is an advantage if there is a lot of overhanging vegetation.

However, light rods and light lines are difficult to learn with as the rod does not provide a lot of feeling when it loads (due to the light line), using a slightly heavier line/rod provides more feedback and make casting a lot easier to learn.

I myself have a 8ft #2 rod but use a WF3F on it, the furthest I have to cast is generally 40 feet (10ft tippet and 30ft line) but most casts are in the 20 to 30 foot range (i.e. 10 to 20 foot on line plus tippet).


Where are you from? Someone locally might be able to help you with trying out a rod kit to see how you get on.
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Old 18-04-2011, 04:39 PM
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Thanks, that's really helpful.

When you say "tippet" do you mean the whole leader thingy?

So: I think I'll aim for a #3 rod, over-lined (is the that the word?) with a #4 line.

But then there's DT and WF tapered line: I'm guessing I want the latter, right?

And sinking, floating or neutral? I'm guessing floating.

Then pop my leader on, add a fly (better start wet, more like what'm used to!) and voila!

Hmm. Well, I've been practicing my casts on my brother's rod and reel and so far I reckon I can chuck out a fair bit of line with a reasonable amount of accuracy.

Looking forward to seeing what the fish think though!
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Hi There

You might find this of interest ..................


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Contact Andy at Wm Salter & Grandson
He's had a couple of very nice light rods available recently at affordable prices.
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anyone had both the shakespeare and the fladen rod and want to offer a comparison? I'm probably going to buy one or the other but not sure which to go for... I get the impression either will be good
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Thanks, that's really helpful.

When you say "tippet" do you mean the whole leader thingy?

So: I think I'll aim for a #3 rod, over-lined (is the that the word?) with a #4 line.

But then there's DT and WF tapered line: I'm guessing I want the latter, right?

And sinking, floating or neutral? I'm guessing floating.

Then pop my leader on, add a fly (better start wet, more like what'm used to!) and voila!

Hmm. Well, I've been practicing my casts on my brother's rod and reel and so far I reckon I can chuck out a fair bit of line with a reasonable amount of accuracy.

Looking forward to seeing what the fish think though!
Looks as though you could do with some serious help!! Your trying to learn it all in a short time; STOP now. Concentrate on what you need! I'm assuming from your original request for help, that your going to fish a STREAM and SMALL RIVER -Yes? Can we establish that you require a 7ft, Fly Rod for this type of fly fishing - Yes? The line that I would suggest is a DT (double Taper) floating line, either a DT #3, weight line or a DT #4,weight line, the weight of the fly lines are determined by the manufacturers AFTM rating system; and it would not make a great deal of difference if you choose to get a WF ( weight Forward Line) in the same #3, or #4,weight line! I prefer DT lines for streams and rivers! You should get a reel suitable for the rod, for 7ft rod , you need a smallish reel that's suitable to accommodate a #3 or #4, weight line! Put a small amount of backing on the reel, attach the fly line! At the business end of fly line, attach a braided loop or create a loop, or possibly join the leader mono directly to the fly line! Length of rod 7ft, length of leader 7ft, the tippet is the small amount of fine mono attached to your leader; and the fly at the extreme end! GO FISHING!

Basics : 7ft, #3, weight fly rod. A DT #3, floating fly line, nice smallish fly reel, attach a 6/7ft leader, a suitable small amount of tippet mono; and your all set to go fishing! What fly ??? Well, this outfit will allow you to fish : Wet fly - Dry fly, Emerger Patterns, Nymphs of all kinds and even some duo set-ups. Ther's a lot more to learn; and you'll enjoy learning a little more each time you go fishing, don't rush the longing for knowledge, just let it all fall in to place; and above all enjoy your fishing.

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Old 18-04-2011, 08:24 PM
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that's great, thanks.

I've been out practicing my casts on a 9' with #4 line, getting the hang of it.

Two final questions if I may:

1. I've ordered some tapered leaders from The Essential Fly - does that mean I don't need to add a tippet (as it already comes with one "built-in" simply by tapering down to a fine diameter)?

2. Backing. Ok, what do I use as "backing"? And how much should I put on? Presumably I join the end of the fly line to it and spool that on over the backing. But what to use and how much? Do I need to bother with this at all?

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that's great, thanks.

I've been out practicing my casts on a 9' with #4 line, getting the hang of it.

Two final questions if I may:

1. I've ordered some tapered leaders from The Essential Fly - does that mean I don't need to add a tippet (as it already comes with one "built-in" simply by tapering down to a fine diameter)?

2. Backing. Ok, what do I use as "backing"? And how much should I put on? Presumably I join the end of the fly line to it and spool that on over the backing. But what to use and how much? Do I need to bother with this at all?

THANKS
Tapered Leaders down to x6 or x7, may not need tippet mono? and as you rightly said - the leader tip would be fine enough to fish with initially!! But that will change as you cut bits off etc!! As you shorten your leader, you will require some tippet mono eventually, or even immediately if your using a short leader, or need to go to a finer tippet.

Backing is your choice! I'd certainly put some backing on the reel - if only a small amount. You could use a mono backing or a braided backing? the amount of backing would depend on the size of your fly reel and of -course the amount of room needed to fit your fly line comfortably on the reel! I use a loop to loop method for joining fly line to backing! A perfection loop in the backing and a whipped loop or braided loop on the tail end of the fly line, makes it easy to turn around on a DT line - or when swapping a fly line!

Hope this helps

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