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Old 10-01-2012, 12:26 PM
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Next thing just to make sure, I got my backing on line on. And now it's the leader then fly/flies is that correct or tippet or is that the same?

Thanks Phil.
Welcome to the forum and the sport.

The difference between tippet and leaders is often confusing when you start. "Leader" usually refers to all the monofilament between your fly line and your fly. If there is just one such piece of monofilament and it's all the same thickness, then that's usually called a leader, although some may call the piece near the fly the "tippet".
For more accurate casts, it often halps to have a tapered leader which is thick near the flyline and gets gradually thinner. In this case, the piece of monofilament attatched to the fly will be the thinnest part of monofilament used and will be called the "tippet," this is probably what tippet usually refers to when it is written down. This "tippet" is often knotted to the end of a "tapered leader," though "tippet" may also just refer to the thinnest part of a tepered leader in the case that a tapered leader is a single piece of monofilament whose thickness gradually gets smaller.
About tapered leaders. They are sometimes a single piece of gradually thinning monofilament or sometimes people make their own by knotting together monofilament of different thicknesses.

Tippet material is thin monofilament of uniform thickness, usually sold on a spool. This is what you knot to a tapered leader, maybe 3 feet of it. You may also use say 10 feet of such material running straight from your flyline to your fly. This 10 feet forms a leader and so tippet material is sometimes called leader material, just to confuse things

Anyway I'm sure this will all be better explained by someone who meets you in person and can show you examples.

Anyway, well done on taking up flyfishing.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:43 PM
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Wow my heads spinning now lol sounds confusing I can see why you guys say it's best to show you than explain it. Would the 6lb leader be ok for the 10ft length then?
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Wow my heads spinning now lol sounds confusing I can see why you guys say it's best to show you than explain it. Would the 6lb leader be ok for the 10ft length then?
It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. In general 10ft of 6lb is fine. It depends on where and how you are fishing though. If you're fishing a stillwater with a single fly it would usually be fine. Where will you be fishing?
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Well I have been fishing in still water but would love to try river too so anything fly is good
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If you're going on a river to fish dries, I'd recommend a tapered leader tapering down to 3lb or 4lb and then you would probably add a tippet section from a spool of 3lb or 4lb monofilament. Your tippet section could be the same strength as the piece of the tapered leader to ties it to, or it could be one size smaller, thus continuing the tapering effect, it's up to you. I'd say for most other forms of fishing on the river you wouldn't need a tapered leader. Indeed, a tapered leader is a disadvantage if you want to fish nymphs deep because the thicker monofilament takes longer to sink, so in that case the level leader is perfect.
6lb is a bit heavy for most river applications like dries, nymphs and spiders. For those you would ideally want monofilament of 3lb or 4lb attached to your fly.

I hope I'm not being too unclear. It will definitely be clearer when someone shows you or you do it yourself.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:16 PM
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No not unclear it makes sense and I had a look at this too-

Dry Fly 'Expert': Leader linguistics, tippet talk and tips...

And with that and what your saying it is getting clearer

So I'm guessing that the line turning over is it casting good and straight out is that right? [got to learn the slang lol]
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No not unclear it makes sense and I had a look at this too-

Dry Fly 'Expert': Leader linguistics, tippet talk and tips...

And with that and what your saying it is getting clearer

So I'm guessing that the line turning over is it casting good and straight out is that right? [got to learn the slang lol]
That's a great blog, well worth keeping an eye on. Yes you're right about the slang.
In the blog there is a nice example of how there is no always in fishing. You'd think that "good turnover" was always good, but not so. Have you guys been on the weter yet?
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Yes looks a great blog and also the help I have found on here too. We haven't been out yet with the new gear but have been to still waters renting the rod/reel. And the wife wants the kitchen painted first lol. Was going to wait till the start of the season but got to venture out before that as it's calling ha ha.

I have still got to put on the leader on our lines and after seeing the blog I like the way he uses the needle knot would that be ok for still water and wet fly.
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Wives, kitchens and long grass all want to stop us fishing!

Yes that needle knot method would be fine for stillwater and wet fly. If you're not fishing dry all the time, what I'd recommend is needle knotting some heavy mono to your fly line as described in the blog. Then I would tie a loop on the end of the heavy mono and use loop-to-loop connections when attatching leaders. The perfection loop is a good knot for this.

You might find better solutions but that's what I'd do.
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Thats cool. Will need to get some more mono as only got the 6lb line at the moment.

So what is 3x po-polymer mono [ie what is the breaking strain like in the dry fly blog?]

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