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    Default HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    I posted an earlier thread about this, but I am now even more confused. Could some provide me with the specific details I need to purchase the right leaders and tippets for the following situation:
    Novice fly fisher
    Fishing still water lake for trout
    Fly line floating 7wt Weight Forward
    Using nymphs and wet flies 12,14, 16 approx (have not tried dry fly yet)

    1. Leader.
    I understand a tapered leader is better option but what about
    Floating, slow sinking, fast sinking, intermediate ?
    What length 7th or 9ft ?
    Mono or fluorocarbon ?
    What BS or X number ?

    2. Tippet.
    Based on what is suggested for the leader what type of tippet material should I get ?

    I plan to purchase the material on line so brand names and as much detailed information to ensure I get the right Leader and Tippet to get me started correctly will be really appreciated.

    Sorry to appear dumb...but at this stage I clearly am!

    NEL

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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    I'm no expert but from personal experience (fishing for about 7 years now) I would keep it simple to start with.

    Assuming you are talking a normal stillwater with stocked fish, not wild brownies and counting a loch as a stillwater then..

    Just use a normal straight through leader, there is no need whatsoever to use tapered or both a leader and tippet. You may get slightly better presentation using the latter, but to be honest when just starting that isn't always the case. I still use this setup after 7 years and catch my fair share for certain.

    As to strength and the rest. I use fluoro myself of 8 or 10lb but I do tend to go to stillwaters with good size fish of about 5lb and well beyond that, so 8lb should suffice. Length depends somewhat on how well you cast as 14ft may be too long, start with 10ft and see how well you go.

    Manufacturers obviously depends on cost, but you can't go far wrong with the Asso sold on this forum.

    Hope that helps to simplify for now,
    A.

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    I would buy a spool of 6lb or 8lb fluorocarbon, airflo G3 or filling mill, there are loads of different ones to choose from, and everyone has a different experience/opinion on them. But to get fishing just buy one of the above.

    To start you off, a 10' length of the above, with a single fly on the point, will work with most lines. Start with the floater, and if you want more depth, put a heavier fly on. When you feel comfortable casting the 10' leader, you can increase the length to 13 or 16' and add a dropper.

    At this stage don't worry about tapers, just use a 'level' leader. You will probably spend more time with a fly on the water this way, rather than sorting tangles.


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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    Many thanks both of you...That has helped me greatly.

    Thanks again

    NEL

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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitegoatie View Post
    I would buy a spool of 6lb or 8lb fluorocarbon, airflo G3 or filling mill, there are loads of different ones to choose from, and everyone has a different experience/opinion on them. But to get fishing just buy one of the above.

    To start you off, a 10' length of the above, with a single fly on the point, will work with most lines. Start with the floater, and if you want more depth, put a heavier fly on. When you feel comfortable casting the 10' leader, you can increase the length to 13 or 16' and add a dropper.

    At this stage don't worry about tapers, just use a 'level' leader. You will probably spend more time with a fly on the water this way, rather than sorting tangles.


    Great minds!!
    I agree with the above, a slightly cheaper brand (I would choose fulling mill personally having had problems with the G3) of fluoro will also be slightly stiffer than the more expensive ones and will help reduce tangles when you are starting out too. You will get tangles so this will also save you a bit of cash too when you have to replace them every 10 mins .

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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    I would strongly recommend, someone in your position using a standard leader of about 9'.

    For wet flys, use flurocarbon....as has been suggested, filling mill or airflo sightfree are good options.

    Don't worry about anything else just yet....line, 9' leader, fly....sorted.
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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    For the fly sizes you mention you will need a leader of at least 9' that is 4x or 5x that is .007" or .006" diameter. Don't worry about breaking strain as long as it is enough. You will be fine with a level leader but if you try longer leaders it helps turnover to build a taper in, just choose the right tippet and then increase diameter back to the fly line in three or four sections.

    Fluoro is expensive but good for nymphs and wets as it is close to invisible, mono is also fine in most circumstances although a little weaker for any given diameter but, if you do try dry fly, you'll need to go to mono or copolymer as fluoro will sink a dry.
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    Default Re: HELP: Define which leader and tippet I need

    I personaly nearly always use a copolymer tapered leader on a floating line. On a seven weight rod, 9 feet with usually a six lb point. This is ideal for casting dry flies as it will assist turnover a give better presentation. For nymph fishing extend the length to 12 feet or longer, use a three turn water knot, with florou of your choice, 8lbs bs.
    I find that this method turns teams of small nymphs over better with less tangles, especially with longer leaders ove 12 feet, I normally use 15 feet on stiilwaters and occasionaly longer.
    My favoured tapered leader is from Fulling Mill, but these are very thick at the top end and are best attached to your fly line via a nail or needle knot.

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