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Old 12-09-2017, 07:31 PM
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I often think that it would be very useful to know how many trout view your fly and simply say 'No Thanks'

I came back from fishing the Tweed today, totally cream Crackered- I must have presented my fly (both dry and nymph) a few thousand times, with many variations of casts - Overhead, Side, Reach cast etc.

I was rewarded with three modest (small) trout (and one beast that got away) for my efforts. I can only imagine that I must have floated/drifted my fly past hundreds of fish.

If only we could get a fish to speak and tell us why they said 'No Thanks' it would take a lot of frustration out of this sport, and make catching them a lot easier!




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That's why it's called 'fishing' and not 'catching'

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But they don't want us to catch them in the first place Douglas!
I must admit, I've seen a few refuse my dry. Seen them come up and drift back down stream backwards following the fly, then just simply returning to the depths out of sight.
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Although they only have a brain the size of a pea, they must have some sort of simplified thought process that triggers a reaction or a refusal.

This thought process obviously varies from day to day, or even hour to hour.
Anyone out there been a trout in their previous life?


How much is a set of golf clubs and fees!



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I was once up a tree looking down into clear water some 5-6ft deep, I could see trout patrolling up and down the channel, black gnat dry fly, 2 looked but refused, must have gone through most of my fly box trying to get some interest, nothing, finally put on a 16 Hares ear and let it sink slowly to the bottom, 4 trout picked that ,almost invisible, fly up from the sandy clay bottom 2 were landed, not easy when your up a tree. How on earth did they notice a totally motionless, tiny fly that, to my eyes, merged perfectly with the bottom. One of the many mysteries of this amazing, frustrating sport of ours.
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Although they only have a brain the size of a pea, they must have some sort of simplified thought process that triggers a reaction or a refusal.

This thought process obviously varies from day to day, or even hour to hour.
Anyone out there been a trout in their previous life?

How much is a set of golf clubs and fees!

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I hear what you are saying, Douglas. One memory fixed in my head is of an evening spell on Rutland in the 1990s, fishing with Jimmy, and we had a particular set of circumstances come our way. We were drifting into Old Hall Flats. There was a big, overcast bank of cloud above us, clearing away, with a sharp back edge. The sun came out of that back edge and lit up the water in front of our boat like an arc lamp. The trees on the shoreline provided the shading for the backdrop. We were both fishing dries, and the lighting arrangement afforded us a view of the scene like we were looking into a fish-tank, side-on. What we saw was fish after fish come up for a look at our flies, then turn and go away. We would never have seen them any other time - which makes you think that, any other time, the exact same thing is probably happening.

They have a brain the size of a pea, but what millions of years of evolution have programed into that pea is, don't make easy mistakes that will cost you your life. We do catch fish, so surely presentation must be key.

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I hear what you are saying, Douglas. One memory fixed in my head is of an evening spell on Rutland in the 1990s, fishing with Jimmy, and we had a particular set of circumstances come our way. We were drifting into Old Hall Flats. There was a big, overcast bank of cloud above us, clearing away, with a sharp back edge. The sun came out of that back edge and lit up the water in front of our boat like an arc lamp. The trees on the shoreline provided the shading for the backdrop. We were both fishing dries, and the lighting arrangement afforded us a view of the scene like we were looking into a fish-tank, side-on. What we saw was fish after fish come up for a look at our flies, then turn and go away. We would never have seen them any other time - which makes you think that, any other time, the exact same thing is probably happening.

They have a brain the size of a pea, but what millions of years of evolution have programed into that pea is, don't make easy mistakes that will cost you your life. We do catch fish, so surely presentation must be key.

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Yes, I suppose that was the kind of thing that I was meaning. You simply cannot see (normally) what is going on beneath the surface glare of the water.

If you could, then you would change tactics to match. Sometimes, it must simply be poor presentation, other times, perhaps, wrong colour of fly, wrong size etc, etc,

As Bibio 1st, has said in previous post, that's why we call it 'fishing and not catching'

I suppose at the end of the day, we are just waiting on a fish making a mistake!


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other times, perhaps, wrong colour of fly, wrong size etc, etc
It's the fact that the fish was coming for a look to start with... would it have started to come if the fly was the wrong size or colour? It's one to ponder, all right...

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I ran a fishery for nine years and observed how trout react to dries, wets and nymphs. One day in bright sunlight I cast a dry March Brown onto crystal clear water from a height nine feet high shear bank. Lying on my stomach I could observer fish movement in relation to my floating offering. Fish came up and inspected the fly and rejected it but the strange thing was the same fish came back again two or three times to have another look. I didn't change the fly as this was an experiment. By recasting the fly to make a slight splash the fish were immediately attracted to it and eventually one trout took it.
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Wouldn't stocked fish expect their food to splash?
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