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    I was having a laugh with an angling friend today. We were relating some amusing experiences with regard to other well meaning anglers telling us 'How it should be done' Most of the experiences came from when we were both members of the same syndicate (now defunct)

    In the past year, I have been lectured too, almost on the point of being chastised, on a few occasions (both on river and Stillwater) as to the 'Way it should be done' The words 'Always and Never' seem to proliferate the conversation. I am referring to anglers who are younger and also older than myself.

    It always amazes me that some of the rhetoric sounds like it has been taken direct from the pages of Trout Fisherman.

    Now, being an ultra polite person, I just listen in a manner that I am taking on board their tuition. Some of the nonsense that I have heard over the years is laughable.

    Perhaps, I would be a better angler if I listened to these guru's - Not!

    Am I alone in thinking that this sport has more than its fair share of 'Experts' Perhaps you have your own personal 'expert' at your fishery, who seems to catch consistently less than anyone else!



    Douglas
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddleston123 View Post
    I was having a laugh with an angling friend today. We were relating some amusing experiences with regard to other well meaning anglers telling us 'How it should be done' Most of the experiences came from when we were both members of the same syndicate (now defunct)

    In the past year, I have been lectured too, almost on the point of being chastised, on a few occasions (both on river and Stillwater) as to the 'Way it should be done' The words 'Always and Never' seem to proliferate the conversation. I am referring to anglers who are younger and also older than myself.

    It always amazes me that some of the rhetoric sounds like it has been taken direct from the pages of Trout Fisherman.

    Now, being an ultra polite person, I just listen in a manner that I am taking on board their tuition. Some of the nonsense that I have heard over the years is laughable.

    Perhaps, I would be a better angler if I listened to these guru's - Not!

    Am I alone in thinking that this sport has more than its fair share of 'Experts'



    Douglas
    I joined a club Stillwater last year, one of the long term members took it upon himself to give me the knowledge of the water one day as I was fishing. Must of been that I was a new face. I happened to be using one specific fly to which I was told “thee won’t catch anything on here with that”. I had already caught two so ignored the advice and carried on. I went on to catch another 4 more before he came back over and asked what fly I was using and if I had a spare one as he didnt carry them himself.

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    Default Re: Always and Never!

    We are all experts to some degree, based on our own experiences. They will rarely be the same experiences as other anglers though.

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    Young upstarts and old farts Douglas.
    I have a wife and daughter. I'm always wrong and outnumbered.

    A Lancsy Lad.

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    I don't say any thing until asked,It is better to say nowt and be thought dumb than to open your mouth and dispel all doubt, easker1

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    Quote Originally Posted by easker1 View Post
    I don't say any thing until asked,It is better to say nowt and be thought dumb than to open your mouth and dispel all doubt, easker1
    As an upstart on the other end of it I can verify this as fact

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    I wrote this some eleven years ago

    BIGOTS, BORES AND KNOW-IT-ALLS DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOUR LIFE AS MISERABLE AS THEIRS.

    I did as I always do when arriving to fish; I sat and watched the world go by. It helps to concentrate my mind on the task ahead. I watched the ducks preening themselves on the bank, the swans gliding slowly along the far shore shepherding their, by now, large offspring and the last of the swallows swooping and diving for their last meal before their flight south. My quiet contemplation wasn't to last long.

    He came from nowhere arriving like the first cold wind of autumn. He was the type that seems able to find me be it in a pub, on top of a mountain or on the bank of loch or river. As soon as he saw me he launched into his spiel; "Your first time here?"; "….what you want to use is…"; "I've fished here there and everywhere." "….caught this here…….that there…." "…….hundred fish….all over two pound…." I listened for the first few minutes then let his droning voice pass over me; he never let up; I never spoke, just the odd nod or grunt as if I was listening.

    The wind meanwhile had dropped to nothing, the sun was warm for September and the odd late bee was buzzing round the last of the flowers. Every now and again a zephyr would rush across the water causing small ripples and swirls to form, probably coming from the mouth of my new companion. He was now onto the state of the country, the foreign nationals coming in and taking all the jobs, the government, his wife and anything else he thought I might be interested in; still I nodded and grunted; he never noticed as he was by now into full flow.

    His views became more and more extreme. "…kick all the migrant workers out….", "…..get rid of the Asians, blacks, Muslims etc.…" What had this to do with fishing? He was beginning to annoy me now. If he had just kept to fishing I would have sat and listened for longer but I know people from the groups he was targeting and I didn't need some stranger spouting off half truths about them.

    I slowly rose from my sitting position, excused myself, and walked to the water. I had noticed the slightest movement some ten yards from the shore. Casting into the general area I slowly retrieved, I could feel my new 'friend' watching me with some amusement. The fish came up and gently took the floating nymph on the top dropper, hardly breaking the surface. "You won't catch anything there" called my 'friend' from behind me. I raised the rod tip and the water exploded, there was spray everywhere, the fish jumped once, twice, three times then bore deep bending the rod and taking line. Eventually I had it under control and brought it into the bank; a fish of perhaps a pound; I unhooked it and let it go.

    I turned and my new 'friend' had gone.

    Maybe it was something I said.
    Don't worry, be happy.
    Sandy
    Carried it in full, then carry it out empty.

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    Great post, I enjoyed that.



    Douglas

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    I was fishing a river in Perthshire near a path, someone appeared on my shoulder and watched quietly before giving me some pointers on where I was going wrong with my casting, pleasant enough and I don't mind a distraction, after some time passed I lit a cigarette and handed him the rod asking if he wanted to have a shot, I have seen a few bad casters in my time but this guy was shocking

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