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    Default Single-hand Spey casting?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    Anyone who has learnt to cast (or more to the point fish) on any water where a bit of stealth is required will be able to lift the fly (or flies) off the water with next to no splash, drag or other shocking features.

    I've fished with many very good and experienced anglers on some pretty overgrown streams and I've yet to see any of them have to resort to any of this fancy tripe! Simple no nonsense stealthy casts with no exaggerated movements, extraneous curly whirly line shapes OR splashing have been all I've ever seen used.
    I just typed a full rebuttel and erased it.. does this mean Iím getting old? Single-hand Spey casting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchy1978 View Post
    I just typed a full rebuttel and erased it.. does this mean I’m getting old? Single-hand Spey casting?

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    No. It shows that you know I'm right

    Or more likely that you realise we might both be a bit right and there is no point repeating yourself to try and change anybodies mind on a forum!

    There might also have been an element of fear that it would feed Ohanzee and lead to yet another 20 page epic about nothing...
    I think so, therefore I maybe

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    Default Re: Single-hand Spey casting?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    Anyone who has learnt to cast (or more to the point fish) on any water where a bit of stealth is required will be able to lift the fly (or flies) off the water with next to no splash, drag or other shocking features.

    I've fished with many very good and experienced anglers on some pretty overgrown streams and I've yet to see any of them have to resort to any of this fancy tripe! Simple no nonsense stealthy casts with no exaggerated movements, extraneous curly whirly line shapes OR splashing have been all I've ever seen used.
    I'd argue an overhead cast is 'fancier' than a roll off water, spey casting is old, when I was young my father, along with pretty much everyone I saw fished spiders on a sunk line on rivers, the method was a slow switch cast because an overhead cast would never lift it, same for down and across, you rolled the line back over because it would take umpteen false casts to change direction.

    I could argue that overhead casting is the 'fancier', or at least situations where its more trouble than its worth, I fish hill lochs in the main, hardly the place for fancy tripe you would think, in summer lochs can drop leaving you fishing with what was the vertical edge of the loch behind you, heather above that, a short back cast is a short forward cast in overhead casting, your longest cast here is a straight spey shooting line.
    Goodbye Denzil

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    Default Re: Single-hand Spey casting?

    Quote Originally Posted by dutchy1978 View Post
    I just typed a full rebuttel and erased it.. does this mean Iím getting old? Single-hand Spey casting?
    Yes. Futility becomes easier to recognise.

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    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by geenomad View Post
    Yes. Futility becomes easier to recognise.

    Cheers
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    Don't pander to him, he looks about 25.
    Goodbye Denzil

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    It strikes me that you and TUC maybe have a thing in common, you can adapt a roll/spey cast to do pretty much anything almost to the point where the names of casts become redundant, an intuitive or free style approach if you like, I can see where 'fancy' names that try to define specific things make things more complicated rather than clarify.

    I think the snake roll is the most efficient cast for a change of direction, but inherently the most efficient cast anyway because the line moves continually in one direction, in this sense it is exactly the same, or can be, as any spey or non static roll, I think this is where the beauty of spey casting comes from, its efficiency in visible motion.
    It's (snake roll) certainly the best cast for using when you don't want to disturb the water too much.

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    Default Re: Single-hand Spey casting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    Don't pander to him, he looks about 25.


    Very old 25Single-hand Spey casting?, see what i did there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruce View Post
    It's (snake roll) certainly the best cast for using when you don't want to disturb the water too much
    Especially by not false casting over a fish, I reckon the least disturbance is a snap z, it zips the fly away and does everything away from the fish.
    Goodbye Denzil

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    Default Re: Single-hand Spey casting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    Especially by not false casting over a fish, I reckon the least disturbance is a snap z, it zips the fly away and does everything away from the fish.
    Hmm....not sure. You can still get a "white mouse"" with that cast. Admittedly, it's not in the immediate vicinity of the fish/area you are going to fish the fly through but it's still there. In very calm conditions I would take the snake roll any time. By the same token I much prefer the kiss and go casts to the sustained anchor types if at all possible.

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