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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshOsprey View Post
    Isn't the stocking of the river paid for via the permit with the club not the EA licence???
    I'd say you were spot on Osprey. I think the EAs only involvement in stocking is in their stocking policies and guidelines for what we're allowed to put in.

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    I'm on your side Gareth dont panic mate.
    Small world, as my cabbie on Monday had a daughter who did the mussel study as part of her marine ecology PhD

    I've nearly filled a page
    You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that do you, on a weekday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk8456 View Post
    I'm on your side Gareth dont panic mate.
    Small world, as my cabbie on Monday had a daughter who did the mussel study as part of her marine ecology PhD

    I've nearly filled a page
    Sorry mate! I was hoping not to come across sounding like I was having a go in that last post...although it looks like I did. Huge apologies there mate. Totally wasn't my goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethl View Post
    Sorry mate! I was hoping not to come across sounding like I was having a go in that last post...although it looks like I did. Huge apologies there mate. Totally wasn't my goal

    Oh no no no, not at all captain

    I'm just saying, save your breath. I understand and agree with you 100%. I was just saying what some are saying in work.

    However, the polution and cross contanimation issue had swayed most
    I also said, if you were trying to have babies, would you like constant thrashing of oars above your head?
    That swayed them too

    Those that haven't signed, are now dead anyway
    You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that do you, on a weekday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk8456 View Post
    Those that haven't signed, are now dead anyway
    Hah! That's the spirit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk8456 View Post


    People in work are saying if canoists dont effect the eco system why should they pay?

    There are several other ways in which canoeists will effect the environment. It is inevitable that bankside vegetation will be effected and the the banks themselves will suffer erosion at entry points.
    This could be moderated if launching strips were built but who would pay for these?
    Without any form of regulation/licensing could it be guaranteed that all canoeists would use only such launching strips at all times?

    The real canoe enthusiasts will want to run the spate streams as these have a good mixture of 'challenging' water particularly in the autumn, winter and spring periods - the time of year when migratory fish are most vunerable to disturbance. In the autumn the fish will be cutting redds and spawning and during the winter the eggs/Alvin's are extremely sensitive to disturbance (canoes can 'ground' and paddles can scrape the river bed in the shallow water areas where the redds are). Non-migratory brown trout also cut redds in shallow water areas.
    If there is some form of regulation - licensing and local agreements - in force, these areas could be put out of bounds during the danger periods but at the moment the canoing organisations are adamant that they are not going to accept licensing or local agreements with other interested parties.(Seems to be a stupid negotiating stance to me).

    Overriding all of this, the canoeists demand for unrestricted access means that they will impinge the (currently) legal rights of riparian and land owners.

    Large canoe parties will also have some effect on the non-river environment also. Many canoe clubs use relatively large trailers to carry the members canoes and these will have to be parked somewhere for unloading/loading.. Even anglers (the more selfish and unthinking minority) can sometimes cause problems for farmers, and others, by parking in gateways, narrow lanes etc. so it seems likely that larger vehicles will exacerbate this problem.

    I am not saying that all canoeists are irresponsible or are not prepared to contribute financially toward the maintenance and improvement of our waterways. In fact many also feel that the stance taken by Canoe Wales and the BCU is not the best way to resolve the issue of access (like the canoeist who signed my petition sheet yesterday).



    Dave.
    Last edited by Silver Stoat; 22-07-2009 at 03:52 PM.

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    Dave, that last post was fantastic!

    Also, and just a quick update for you all.

    As well as the pledge (which is doing very well), I also think it's worth filling out a copy of the Welsh Assembly's Consultation Letter (http://tinyurl.com/m6b2zu) and emailing/posting it back to the addresses enclosed.

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    http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/f...hp?f=3&t=52790

    "Please lets get as many responses in as possible, we may not get another opportunity again"
    Same can be said for anglers.
    Last edited by wnion; 23-07-2009 at 11:00 PM. Reason: add quote

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    wnion, a big thanks for posting.

    Also, outrage as Griff Rhys Jones advises canoeists to 'disturb as many fishermen as possible' – http://tinyurl.com/kteypx.

    Not a very mature or responsible way of trying change existing laws and legislations; I think you'll agree.

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    What a complete c0ck

    note to self - remember to pack the 9 weight and a few clousers when going to fish the small Welsh rivers .

    Dan

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