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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by morayfisher View Post
    Well Mark,

    You know your motorcycles, I'll give you that.

    I don't agree though that the ultra expensive items are produced for that purpose. They are usually so far away from what the average person can aspire to as to be meaningless in that context, ala Desmosedici or Bugatti Veyron. Those are usually sold out, limited production runs that are bought by the very rich as collectors items.

    Whereas an 850 rod 'could' be bought by average Joe if he desired it enough, just depends if he can justify it to him or herself.
    I might think "I could buy several rods for the same money" and justify that by persuading myself that that's the sensible route.
    But if I saw a diamond encrusted 'super rod' at, say, 20k, that would be off my radar as an everyday Joe.
    Sadly I'm getting a bit old for motorbikes though I am still tempted.
    I owned them when young, gave them up for years, and in my 'second phase' of motorcycling I bought one in 1978 (a BMW R65), got rid of my car three months later as I never used it. I bought several since and went without a car until 2001. My various bikes (I only owned one at a time) were quite well known around the Hampshire/Wiltshire chalkstreams because of its attached length of plastic gutter downpipe as a rod tube

    Rods etc.
    I used to buy 'top price' ones, including three 'respected' cane rods but now I don't see the point. Most of my fly fishing is done with a now discontinued 70 quid Greys GS2 9 foot #6, which I have had for several years and it's fine.

    I do still have and use three of the Hardy made Orvis CFO reels which I bought when I was in my "I can afford them so why not?" period
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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Having an opinion is fine, everyone has one. Forcing your opinion onto others as though it’s a fact isn’t though. Apparently I’m shallow and immature due to the fact I fish nice gear and enjoy doing so.

    I wouldn’t say it’s far off trolling bringing up a clearly inflammatory subject that’s been covered dozens of times on the forum and yet still leads nowhere, to then disagree with people who have opposing views and call them immature and shallow is ridiculous.

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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Powell View Post
    Sadly I'm getting a bit old for motorbikes though I am still tempted.
    I owned them when young, gave them up for years, and in my 'second phase' of motorcycling I bought one in 1978 (a BMW R65), got rid of my car three months later as I never used it. I bought several since and went without a car until 2001. My various bikes (I only owned one at a time) were quite well known around the Hampshire/Wiltshire chalkstreams because of its attached length of plastic gutter downpipe as a rod tube

    Rods etc.
    I used to buy 'top price' ones, including three 'respected' cane rods but now I don't see the point. Most of my fly fishing is done with a now discontinued 70 quid Greys GS2 9 foot #6, which I have had for several years and it's fine.

    I do still have and use three of the Hardy made Orvis CFO reels which I bought when I was in my "I can afford them so why not?" period
    When you bought the three of the Hardy made Orvis CFO reels was that to
    temporarily fix the basic insecurity that causes people to buy such stuff in the first place
    i would like to agree with you but then we would both be wrong...

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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Getting back to the OP. What does it matter what anyone pays for a rod and if manufacturers can sell high end gear from advertising in the mags then good on them, it makes good business sense. There are the cheaper end gear advertised within the superstore adverts in most mags.
    Whether you can or can't afford the top priced rods, they are only as good as your own ability to cast. Just because Orvis claim their new Helios range is for accuracy or distance, your fly will only go where you point the rod tip on your cast whether the rod cost you 1000 or 100. But if I had the spare cash I would most probably buy a Helios having tried them out, they are very light to handle. But until such time I will be quite content with my Greys Streamflex Plus rods. The fish don't care and I seem to catch plenty of them.

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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by uptomyknee_s View Post
    When you bought the three of the Hardy made Orvis CFO reels was that to
    temporarily fix the basic insecurity that causes people to buy such stuff in the first place
    It might have been. A Battenkill at one third the price works just as well and will likely last as long.

    Few ever think of themselves as 'insecure' but many are. Making us want unnecessary stuff is part of the consumer society - one only has look at the vast number of TV adverts for female 'beauty' products. The adverts obviously work or there would not be so many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrnotherone View Post
    Has the off season come early this year?

    Last time noticed, it seemed to me that people were different, choosing to have and do different things with whatever money they have. Some people spend 50 quid on a watch, some 500, some 5000 and some 50000. They will all tell you it’s currently 5 minutes to eight. Are we seriously discussing the ‘rights and wrongs’ of this? Buy what makes you happy and stop denigrating what makes others happy.
    There is no 'off season' for me, as I am lucky enough to live close to the Welsh Dee, so its the start of my 'proper' season in many ways. If you find my thread boring or a waste of time, read something else.
    You and others are completely missing my original point - I didnt start by saying that I object to people buying high end gear ( I could buy a top of the range rod if I wanted.....buy what you wish ) I was just merely pointing out that the mags seem biased to the very high end gear at the moment. Lets have some more reviews of cheap to mid priced rods.......more diversity is what I am saying. I wouldn't say I was frugal, as I have started another thread asking what a greys streamflex plus is like, as I considered getting one.......hardly cheap tat.
    At a time when flyfishing is in desperate need of attracting more people, especially younger people, and, considering people interested or just starting out, are more likely to buy mags, its seems they are shooting themselves in the foot, by constantly promoting rods that are nearer to a grand. Its is promoting the stereotype of flyfishing being elitist, snobby and very expensive.
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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gragon View Post
    There is no 'off season' for me, as I am lucky enough to live close to the Welsh Dee, so its the start of my 'proper' season in many ways. If you find my thread boring or a waste of time, read something else.
    You and others are completely missing my original point - I didnt start by saying that I object to people buying high end gear ( I could buy a top of the range rod if I wanted.....buy what you wish ) I was just merely pointing out that the mags seem biased to the very high end gear at the moment. Lets have some more reviews of cheap to mid priced rods.......more diversity is what I am saying. I wouldn't say I was frugal, as I have started another thread asking what a greys streamflex plus is like, as I considered getting one.......hardly cheap tat.
    At a time when flyfishing is in desperate need of attracting more people, especially younger people, and, considering people interested or just starting out, are more likely to buy mags, its seems they are shooting themselves in the foot, by constantly promoting rods that are nearer to a grand. Its is promoting the stereotype of flyfishing being elitist, snobby and very expensive.
    You can post what you like and I will read what I like. I just don't agree with your original post (magazines regularly review gear at many price points) and neither do I agree with your following assertions regarding materialism, ego boosting, the "pointless" ownership of multiple rods, or that people with different views are "shallow and immature".

    You might find that you enjoy the forum more with a less adversarial and inflammatory approach, unless of course that is your intention, in which case, good luck.
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    I thought people were a bit quick to judge the op I now realise they were right.
    Gragon it's easier to say nothing rather than insult members also fyi quality isn't expensive it's priceless!
    Al
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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by mrnotherone View Post
    You can post what you like and I will read what I like. I just don't agree with your original post (magazines regularly review gear at many price points) and neither do I agree with your following assertions regarding materialism, ego boosting, the "pointless" ownership of multiple rods, or that people with different views are "shallow and immature".

    You might find that you enjoy the forum more with a less adversarial and inflammatory approach, unless of course that is your intention, in which case, good luck.
    No I am not a troll, and have you ever considered that, ironically, my 'adversarial' tone is a result of people claiming I was a troll as soon as I joined and posted something on another thread? Seems everyone is quick to label anyone with a different opinion as being a troll. Its laughable, or sad depending on how you view it.............so we have a FORUM, that will not tolerate anyone who has ( or dares to voice it ) a different opinion.

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    Default Re: Fly fishing Mags and expensive tackle?!

    Quote Originally Posted by mrnotherone View Post
    ...magazines regularly review gear at many price points...
    They do. But I've been looking for them lately, mostly in T&S. What T&S do is review a particular rod or more usually a range of rods at a particular size and weight. But they don't review all the rods against each other, they tell you what they consider the best rod to be inside each range. So you get the best of the 600-800 category and so on. It's quite cute really, it means that if a 200 rod was ever thought better than an 800 rod they don't need to tell you. (That would get them into all sorts of problems with their advertisers.) They also never include really cheap rods.

    But the real problem is that they don't do independent, objective blind testing. In the end, all you get is one or two opinions from people who are in hock to the industry. It's an almost worthless process. I'm not saying it's corrupt, just that it's manipulated and flawed.

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