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    Default Re: Leader/tippet questions

    Quote Originally Posted by heathenwoods View Post
    Thanks for that. It makes sense. I'll give it a go and see how I get on when the season starts.
    Paul Proctor uses a similar loop to loop system for his leaders preferring that to mini rings, and there aren’t any better dry fly anglers out there IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calder Junky View Post
    The loops I make are very durable so long as you stay away from them with your snips which is very easily done so not a problem and durability is the only advantage a steel tippet ring can have over my set up IMO.

    Using my set up I have effectively a (tucked) blood knot to blood knot connection via a tiny nylon loop. With a tippet ring I have the same blood knot to blood knot connection but via a relatively large 1.8mm or larger steel ring. So my set up has a smaller more streamlined foot print with less disturbance on the water when laying it down and more importantly picking it back up again and my nylon loop has a density of just over 1 versus almost 8 for the steel ring which whilst I admit can sit comfortably in the surface tension ( especially when Ďginkedí up) on flat water, is much more prone to sinking in broken water where the action of the surface water can help the leader to break through the surface tension which isnít good when it has a steel ring in the middle of it!

    Thatís my thinking at least.

    Andy.

    Sounds plausible in theory Andy, but have you ever tested it? My friend makes and sells furled leaders. He compared loops to a small tippet ring for distubance when landing and floatability. He liked the small tippet ring better and the majority of his customers liked the ring better too. He has a special treatment he uses on the leaders that works so good he guarantees the leader to float for the life of the leader. I have one going on 2 years and it still floats. Maybe that's why i've never seen the tippet ring go under.

    i don't think any difference is not worth worrying about. Just pick the one you like best. Do you prefer tieing a loop or tie on with a clinch knot? I forgot what you call a clinch knot? Water knot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old timer View Post
    Sounds plausible in theory Andy, but have you ever tested it? My friend makes and sells furled leaders. He compared loops to a small tippet ring for distubance when landing and floatability. He liked the small tippet ring better and the majority of his customers liked the ring better too. He has a special treatment he uses on the leaders that works so good he guarantees the leader to float for the life of the leader. I have one going on 2 years and it still floats. Maybe that's why i've never seen the tippet ring go under.

    i don't think any difference is not worth worrying about. Just pick the one you like best. Do you prefer tieing a loop or tie on with a clinch knot? I forgot what you call a clinch knot? Water knot?
    That’s some treatment Pete, no doubt it’s a secret recipe.
    I’ve been making furled leaders for a long time now but never found anything better than mucilin paste.
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    Yes, it is. I tried to get it out of him, but no way was he giving it up. It would be great for dry flies. he does sell a floatent and it works good. Not the life of the fly good.

    This is his company.

    Zen Outfitters Products - www.zenoutfitters.com
    Pete

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    I just use Leeda tapered leaders and tie a point on. This means the leader gets shortened during the season but I don't like loop to loops or anything lumpy. I like the above idea of a tiny blood knot. May give that a try.

    Have heard good reports of those polyleaders but never tried one.

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    Thatís a 5lb Hardy tapered leader ( on left hand side) connected to some 0.14mm stroft ABR (on the right hand side) via my mini loop at the top and a 1.5mm Riverge ring below. Apologies in advance for the tag ends, Iíve no snips in the house- only scissors.

    As said before, Iím perfectly happy with my set-up. I have all the advantages of a loop( no shortening of tapered leader every time I swap my tippet) without the bulk, weight or flash of the ring.

    Whatís not to like about it?

    Andy
    Last edited by Calder Junky; 12-01-2019 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Wrong link

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    Looks like a much bigger ring than what I use. I can barely get a tippet through three times to make a dropper.
    Pete

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    Thatís a 1.5mm Reverge ring, itís the smallest ring I know of!

    If you know of smaller please tell.

    Andy
    Last edited by Calder Junky; 12-01-2019 at 08:08 PM. Reason: Typo

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    I use the Partridge 1mm tippet rings for nymph leaders , a even smaller tippet ring is the hook eye off a small dry fly hook , I just get the nippers out and thread one on the Hardy tapered leader .


    I sometimes use a 8 inch sacrificial length of 0.14 Stroft which I knot to the micro home made tippet ring , then a 2 turn water knot for my 3 foot of 0.10 tippet I use for size 18 , 20 and 22 size flies .


    When out on the dries all day I prefer a 5 pound Hardy tapered leader with no rings , just a 2 turn water knot , like Andy I bought a load of the older Hardy tapered leader when they were on sale a year or so ago .

    Andy your set up looks very neat by the way .

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    Thanks all for the advice, interesting reading different opinions

    I just don't really fancy tippet rings but i should try them at some point.
    Quite like that idea of making your own loop with a needle. Sounds like you'd have to be very precise with your superglue application to make sure the knot doesn't slip?

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