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    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    But a realistic attitude towards the protection of our indigenous species.

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    So where is the cut off for you for our idigenious species that colonised the UK?
    What was the last species that was allowed in and the first to be classified as intruder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardbeg View Post
    So where is the cut off for you for our idigenious species that colonised the UK?
    What was the last species that was allowed in and the first to be classified as intruder?

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    Havent got a clue. But Picea Sitchensis would be well up there in the top ten of first intruder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    Havent got a clue. But Picea Sitchensis would be well up there in the top ten of first intruder!
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    But your the one making the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    I would think there is a major distinction between species that we have problems with due to our own interference and introductions - such as American mink, signal crayfish and pink salmon, and species that simply extended their range by their own means of colonising, such as banded damoiselle, peacock butterfly, little egret... and goosanders? No?

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    Col, you missed the point about effect.

    When they have a detrimental effect on the indigenous species, yes, that is exactly what should happen. Eradication.

    There are "introductions" and indeed "self colonising" species which are beneficial, but those that are destructive to the indigenous species, however, should be eradicated.

    Is not a new principle. We spend millions already trying to do so, as do many other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardbeg View Post
    But your the one making the rules.

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    Wish I was. Lots of invasives would be gone by now, not just birds and animals, but flora and fauna too. Giant hogweed anyone?

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    One or two of you remind me of the RSPB half wit that stated at a meeting on the island, "the best thing that could happen for the birds is that the people are moved out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    Col, you missed the point about effect.

    When they have a detrimental effect on the indigenous species, yes, that is exactly what should happen. Eradication.

    There are "introductions" and indeed "self colonising" species which are beneficial, but those that are destructive to the indigenous species, however, should be eradicated.
    If a species is regarded as 'indigenous' then it got here by its own accord. If goosanders got here by their own accord then they are surely indigenous. You are trying to install a time clock on it... to be classed as indigenous, you must have got here by the year xxxx... No?

    What species we deem to be 'beneficial' and what we deem to be 'destructive' is just us putting our own prejudices on things. If we left nature to itself, then species are always competing against each other - survival of the fittest (Darwin's definition, not the sports' centre's definition) - has been for billions of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdale View Post
    One or two of you remind me of the RSPB half wit that stated at a meeting on the island, "the best thing that could happen for the birds is that the people are moved out".
    If that comment makes him a halfwit in your eyes, that's quite remarkable. Are you saying he's wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdale View Post
    One or two of you remind me of the RSPB half wit that stated at a meeting on the island, "the best thing that could happen for the birds is that the people are moved out".
    And then licenses were granted to shoot the geese and ravens!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardbeg View Post
    If that comment makes him a halfwit in your eyes, that's quite remarkable. Are you saying he's wrong?

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    You having a laugh now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    If a species is regarded as 'indigenous' then it got here by its own accord. If goosanders got here by their own accord then they are surely indigenous. You are trying to install a time clock on it... to be classed as indigenous, you must have got here by the year xxxx... No?

    What species we deem to be 'beneficial' and what we deem to be 'destructive' is just us putting our own prejudices on things. If we left nature to itself, then species are always competing against each other - survival of the fittest (Darwin's definition, not the sports' centre's definition) - has been for billions of years.

    Col
    Not trying to install any clock.
    Is, has, and always will be an ongoing problem.
    Invasive species that are detrimental to existing indigenous populations have to be controlled.
    No ifs, buts or maybes.
    Bit like putting a new apex predator into Galapagos, or indeed a man eating tiger into your sport centre.

    regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    And then licenses were granted to shoot the geese and ravens!


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    You having a laugh now?


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    Not trying to install any clock.
    Is, has, and always will be an ongoing problem.
    Invasive species that are detrimental to existing indigenous populations have to be controlled.
    No ifs, buts or maybes.
    Bit like putting a new apex predator into Galapagos, or indeed a man eating tiger into your sport centre.

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    bert
    But you have put a time clock on it by saying a naturally colonising species should be controlled.
    At what point in history do you determine this? Your lifetime? Queen Victoria's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardbeg View Post
    But you have put a time clock on it by saying a naturally colonising species should be controlled.
    At what point in history do you determine this? Your lifetime? Queen Victoria's?
    No I have not.
    Any introduced species is not naturally colonising.
    Does it actually matter when it was introduced anyway?
    It is still introduced.
    Just so you know, quick google came up with this.

    "The breeding areas are confined to the upland rivers and streams of northern England, Scotland and Wales. Goosanders first bred in Britain in 1871 with the first English nesting attempt in 1941. Since 1970 the breeding range has spread across Northern England into Wales"

    No doubt if you search longer than I did you will find the person who first brought them in.

    Timing is not of the essence in my argument.
    Effect is.

    regards
    bert

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