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    Default Rule bending?

    I know this only applies to international rules in fly fishing but,
    would wrapping a piece of fly line such as an off cut from a booby basher line or a di7 around the shank of a hook before dressing it be allowed under said international rules?
    Would it make any difference?
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    The short answer is no.

    Flies may not be additionally weighted and so wrapping a piece of heavy fly line around the hook shank would constitute additional weight. You are permitted 4 points on your hooks are you not, so why not fish a wee double on the point and two flies further up?

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    Fished my last comp in May last year and no intention of going back. This was something that was mentioned last week to me and I didn’t have a clue as to the answer.
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    In one comp with comp flies rules anglers were fishing buzzers made from Di7 line wrapped around the hook. Not seen as weighted, just the body for the fly pattern.
    The same with the Brassie.....a fly with a body made of copper wire.
    I would not like to adjudicate on the rules in these circumstances, some rules need clarifying. Sometimes it is up to the collective captains of the day to decide if someone has transgressed, but this is only after the match has ended.

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    Default Rule bending?

    You used to be able to buy a tungsten rubber sheet....to add weight to a fly. Now for me adding d7 line would basically be the same thing.

    That said would be very hard to proove either way.

    I mean a tungsten bead is not allowed on Lakes yet is on rivers. Fairly straightforward.

    But weight added to flies is something that's hard to police.


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    The comp that this method was allegedly utilised in was fished to international rules.
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    Difficult to answer.....international rules dictate that you can't "artificially weight a fly".....yet buzzers with 5 or 6 coats of epoxy or varnish are accepted as standard.....the Bewl Killer (nymph) with a thick wire rib (almost touching) is accepted ....to me both are "artificially weighting a fly"

    International rules also say "boats shouldn't be within 50m of another boat" .....yet if this was enforced you'd end up with half the field disqualified...

    The bung.....its just an indicator with a hook in.....its not designed to catch fish...should it be banned..???

    Bending rules is as you put it ...pushes methods and techniques forward....it rewards thinking anglers....

    We ribbed buzzers with di'7s 25 years ago and it was accepted in international rules matches then...

    ..i've moved on since then and use a Tiemco 2457 size 8 ( just bend the eye to fit in the gauge) with a heavy wire rib and varnish it is better (heavier) and you will never got questioned on it.....

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    Why are weighted flies banned in International rules?
    I have no interest in fishing any of these comps, I'm just curious as to the thinking behind the ban.

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    Competition rules are set to uphold the spirit and traditions of fly fishing. Perhaps it is time to accept that no such things exist any more.

    When I was involved in framing a revised set of International rules we made the mistake of assuming that anglers are basically honest and would adhere to the rules as set. If any revision of the rules is made it needs to start from the premise that anglers are basically dishonest and will cheat at the least excuse.

    Why they feel the need to cheat is beyond me. There is no great pot of prize money. Get to fish for England and it costs you money. No great kudos; no invites to appear on Sports Personality. Just a 3 Lions badge on your jacket and a metal one for your fishing vest. Worth cheating for?

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    Default Re: Rule bending?

    +1 from me, B. I don't have any agenda that tries to mandate how others should have their fun, but this isn't the only example I've heard about in "International Rules" that leaves me baffled.
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