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    Default Re: Why I Use Maxima Ultragreen - Mostly

    Quote Originally Posted by pentlandflyman View Post
    Remember when they caught all their fish on gut and hair...i don't but they did and until not that long ago we had a few choices of bog standard mono and we all did fine using it, i think the fly is the prize for the fish and rarely will the leader put them off if you are fishing below the surface, dry fly fishing you have to be a bit more clever but it's not rocket science. When i started out everything was drennan double strength or sub surface and i caught plenty but i fell into the trap with all the new materials and ended up with a bag full of expensive lines for every situation. Use whatever you have confidence in and that might be 2 a spool or 30 a spool, clear or coloured etc i have settled on fulling mill in a few sizes and it hasn't let me down yet, it is 4 a spool so quite cheap compared to some and it does me for dries, wets, buzzers and all my river fishing, stop reading the marketing rubbish from sponsored anglers and magazine adverts and stick with what you like using most and don't worry about the price or brand.
    I agree with most of that PFM but I do wonder what the catches would have been like if they had contemporary leader materials back in the day.We can only admire what the old timers managed to achieve with the ***** they had to work with and I’ve seen way too many instances where there has been no doubt about the leader putting fish off.
    I don’t carry a myriad of different leader materials,just three different types cover me for the tactics I use where I fish.One low diameter,one fluorocarbon and one tarry rope.
    Last edited by Wee Jimmy; 09-10-2019 at 09:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Angler View Post
    You are stating the obvious...
    Well, it didn't seem to be obvious to you until recently!

    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Angler View Post
    Any material you mention on the surface will prevent line sinking...
    Aye, that is what I have been saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Angler View Post
    ... you have been arguing about changes to st from these substances. Oil on the water - do you have that on lakes you fish? - will obviously coat the line.
    Erm, yep - we have over 100 Canada geese on our club water to name but one source. When they all sit in the shallows preening themselves, the surface can get a right coating of goose feathers and oils on it. That affects leader sinkability

    You're arguing over moot points now. All I'm saying is that we find days when it is much harder to get the leader to cut through the surface tension than we do on other days. It is obvious that on the days when it is harder it is due to some combination of solids and/or lipids accumulated on the surface. If you accept that, then it doesn't matter whether you want to argue about things at the molecular level or not. The fact remains - the ability to get a leader to cut through on a calm stillwater is highly variable and it usually depends on what is lying on the surface.

    Time to move on from this one, methinks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wee Jimmy View Post
    ... just three different types cover me for the tactics I use where I fish. One low diameter, one fluorocarbon and one tarry rope.
    Same for me.

    Same for the past 30 years (before then tarry rope was all there was). All I can say to the folk who only use one material, whatever it is, is "carry on". But it's a bit like playing 18 holes of golf with nothing but a 5-iron. It's do-able, but it can be improved on with a couple of extra clubs.

    And if you only use one material, you'll never know, on a day when you are struggling, whether you could have done so much better if you had changed to the alternative.

    Col
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    And in coming to this conclusion, you have compared it thoroughly, with every other single alternative available, in every type of fishing situation, and very tactic, that you or I, or anyone else, might care to use? Really?

    Col
    I've had 40 years of trying different stuff and always end up going back to trusty maxima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee71 View Post
    I've had 40 years of trying different stuff and always end up going back to trusty maxima.
    Fair enough. But if you only use Maxima, how would you know, on a day where you were struggling, whether you might improve matters by changing to fluoro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    Fair enough. But if you only use Maxima, how would you know, on a day where you were struggling, whether you might improve matters by changing to fluoro?

    Col
    I have a spool of reflo for dries which I use now and again for tiny dries but prefer maxima in 3 or 4lb, I only used reflo on the pole when coarse fishing as the elastic gave you the stretch but was useless as hooklengths while using rods, as for flouro I've used a few brands but never thought it made any difference, if I want my flies further down I'll ude weighted flies or a sinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee71 View Post
    I have a spool of reflo for dries which I use now and again for tiny dries but prefer maxima in 3 or 4lb, I only used reflo on the pole when coarse fishing as the elastic gave you the stretch but was useless as hooklengths while using rods, as for flouro I've used a few brands but never thought it made any difference, if I want my flies further down I'll ude weighted flies or a sinker.
    Aye, fine, but I'm not necessarily talking about deliberately changing sink rates here... though it could be a factor...

    It's those days that Jimmy and I have both experienced often enough to know there is something going on - even though it is hard to put a finger on... it's maybe a light thing - angles, sunlight, water clarity, whatever... it's where 2 anglers are sharing a boat and one is on nylon and the other is on fluoro and everything else is as near as dammit the same... and one is catching and the other is not. And when the one who is not catching changes leader material to the same as the one who is catching, then they both start catching at the same rate. You have to be prepared to fish either nylon or fluoro if you want to take advantage of those occasions. Just sayin'...

    One more thing I would say about fluoro - it's a lot wirier/stiffer than nylon of a similar diameter. Fishing a 3-fly team of wets in a big wind I find it's less prone to tangling than nylon - and also that tangles are easier to get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangled View Post
    The tests on tap water simply show that both nylon and fluorocarbon mono do not normally break the surface film unless they have very recently been treated with a degreaser that contains detergent.

    That finding will apply to virtually all the fishing situations we find ourselves in. With the exclusion of mechanical effects of waves, almost any other circumstance you can think of will make the fishing water *harder* to break through. Off hard the only situation where it would be easier is if there's been a detergent spill.

    I also doubt wether ph has any significant effect either in a fishing context, though if I get time I might add vinegar and drain cleaner to my bucket to prove it.
    Add a bit of bi carb,
    Its not just the mechanical effects of waves its the added aeration the waves put into the water that helps the line to sink, the salmon fishermen and ladies on the forum, indeed those who river fish for trout too will well know how fast a line can sink below a weir where the water is well aeriated.

    High divers also know the importance of aeriated water and surface tension
    There are two basic fly designs, those designed to catch fish and those designed to catch fishermen, the latter being the best seller

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki15hp View Post
    The link definitely works. Maybe get somebody to check your parental controls settings.

    And if somebody says something doesn't change significantly, that actually means it does change.
    It works now, and coincidentally this is the same article I linked, which disproves in the abstract your assertion. Maybe check your comprehension settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    Yes it is about changes to surface tension. If you read what I wrote I said flat calm or smooth ripples, not breaking ripples that wash over the line.
    The observations I've pointed out are things every angler with eyes will have seen for themselves. I'm not claiming to know how each change (PH, peat, algae, pollen, decaying vegetation etc) actually causes a change to the strength of the surface but it clearly does, we see it daily. We see days when there is a build up of scum or foam and days when the water surface is clean.

    Even the tap water in your bucket isn't a constant - hard water or soft water area?

    Write off years of observation on the water if you like, I'm out!


    Andy
    I don't suppose you've ever measured any of this so it's mainly supposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    Well, it didn't seem to be obvious to you until recently!
    No, you are claiming to know things you don't, then saying something else and making out that's what you meant all along.

    If you accept that, then it doesn't matter whether you want to argue about things at the molecular level or not. The fact remains - the ability to get a leader to cut through on a calm stillwater is highly variable and it usually depends on what is lying on the surface.

    Time to move on from this one, methinks!
    You were the one claiming stuff about surface tension. When you're challenged, you back away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Angler View Post
    I don't suppose you've ever measured any of this so it's mainly supposition.

    No I haven't measured it and I'm not sure how you would go about measuring it without some pretty specialist equipment but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I can see it, others can see it and it is not supposition, it happens. How anyone who has ever fished on stillwaters can not have noticed the variations in the surface tension is beyond me.

    Ah well, maybe I should have spent more time fishing in a bucket of tap water.


    Andy

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