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    It was a very dreich day yesterday, so I passed a few hours looking at mono (monofilament leader material) prices. We know companies tend to charge us more for fluoro than for nylon, on average. How much more? And we know small spools tend to be marked up against larger spools. But by how much? Do some companies get away with it by not offering anything except small spools? How much do we pay per metre/yard for the cheapest monos, compared to the most expensive ones?

    In looking-up some prices, there are no guarantees that much of it makes good sense, as prices are confused by special deals, 'BOGOF's, etc. So, I had to try and use what appeared to be standard prices (not necessarily the rrp) – but then 100 m from one dealer might not compare with 30 m from a different dealer. To make matters worse, when I was checking on the details of one today, the price had changed since yesterday! So take all prices as very rough guides.

    In the interests of complexity, I made no attempt to separate material types beyond nylon and fluoro, ie, no trying to separate standard nylon from low-diameter types - though this could be an area for further investigation.

    I hoped to source my own favourite low-diameter nylon, Damyl Tectan Premium Plus, which was about £7 for 300 m, the last time I bought a mile of it, many years ago. I couldn’t find it, but I did find a version that is not as low diameter: Tectan Superior. I have included it. I cannot recommend it, as I have never tried it. I have been using the Premium Plus for over 20 years and I can recommend that – I just can’t find any!

    I got most of the prices from either Glasgow Angling Centre’s website or Sportfish’s website, plus one or two elsewhere, eg Reflo Power, which quite a few of us like. The list is not meant to be definitive – nor does it claim to be accurate. It’s just an exercise to see if a few observations can be made, trends noted, sort of thing… and see if we can find a source of (reliable) cheap fluorocarbon!

    One thing to note: following recent debate on what the difference is (if indeed there is one) between the material used to form a ‘tippet’ and a ‘leader’ (or a ‘cast’, for us more senior Scots) – the tackle shop websites lump the entire lot under ‘Leader and Tippet Material’: even 1100 yard spools of Berkley Trilene!

    Here is the list (such as it is) in alphabetical order...



    FCN = Fluorocarbon-coated Nylon

    Then rearranged into least expensive to most expensive by the metre/yard…



    A 300 m spool of Damyl Tectan Superior costs (rounded) 1p per metre. There is a benchmark, if ever there was one: 1p per metre! How does everyone compare to that? A 30 m spool of Cortland fluoro costs 60p per metre, putting it firmly at the bottom of the list in pricing terms. However, Cortland also offer one of the best deals on small spools of nylon, with their Fairplay brand, at 7p per metre (on a 27 m spool).

    Twenty five of the 26 most expensive materials per metre/yard are fluorocarbons. This news will no doubt delight the fluoroskeptics. Whether this is down to ‘industrial’ bulk fluorocarbon being genuinely more expensive than nylon, or it is a case of the ‘new kid on the block’ having a point of sale price deliberately pitched higher than ‘old faithful’ (through marketing) is another area that could be investigated. It’s not an open-and-shut case, anyroad. Marketing and large spool v small spool mark-up comes into it. A 30 m spool of Guideline Power Strike+ nylon costs 23 p per metre, while Berkley Trilene fluoro can be had for 3 p per yard – the 2nd lowest price on the whole list. You just need to buy 1100 yards of it at once (something I did with Tectan nylon many years ago and am still surviving on my stock ). You also need to source it in a diameter you want for your fishing (the lowest b.s. I could find an 1100 yd spool in was 12 lb). If 1100 yards is a bit much, then Trilene is also available in 200 yard spools for 5p per yard – still well below the price of most nylons, and available in 4 lb, 6 lb and 8lb.

    I have never used Trilene fluoro for making up leaders, but it might be an answer for those whose only reason not to use fluoro is its high price, compared to nylon. Input from anyone who has been using Trilene fluoro for fly leaders would be very useful.

    Recent discussion elsewhere has tended to show that Maxima Ultragreen is a contender for the nation’s favourite standard type nylon. It comes in as one of the best value buys, at 4p per metre, showing that cheap does not necessarily equal poor quality (and I add Tectan to that).

    When it comes to extra mark-up when putting a small amount on a small spool and branding it ‘Tippet’, aimed at river dry-fly fishers who only go through small quantities and may be prepared to pay more for them – results vary wildly.



    A few brands get around a big mark-up between so-called ‘tippet spools’ (typically 30 m), by not offering a 100 m spool of the same stuff. (Larger spools may be available, but they were not listed on the same websites as the small ‘tippet’ spools). Sufix fluoro (27p per m), Guideline PowerStrike+ nylon (23 p per m) and Vision Space fluoro (33p per m) were among the highest-priced ‘tippet’ spools with no 100 m option. Hats off to Greys Greylon nylon (5p per metre), Climax 98 nylon (8 p per metre) and Cortland Fairplay nylon (7 p per metre) for offering small ‘tippet’ spools at less than 10 p per metre.

    Among those who exposed their big ‘tippet spool’ mark-ups (picking out ones @ >30p per metre and >130% mark-up) by offering 100 m alternatives, were: Frog Hair fluoro @ 38 p per metre; 133% mark-up, GrandMax fluoro @ 32 p per metre; 135% mark-up, Rio Fluoroflex Plus fluoro @ 43 p per metre; 144% mark-up, Cortland fluoro @ 60p per metre; 150% mark-up, Maxima fluoro @ 26p per metre; 197% mark-up, and the rip-off award goes to Rio, for Fluoroflex fluoro @ 43p per metre: a whopping 206% mark-up over their 100 m spool. (Of course, that is not necessarily Rio’s fault completely, as it may have inconsistencies induced by the retailer… however, it would be Rio’s job to keep an eye on such things if it was… just sayin’… )

    In conclusion...

    It is all either nylon or fluorocarbon, plus or minus extras, such as resin impregnations, coatings etc, which may make it stronger or more abrasion-resistant or whatever. So, is the stuff at 60 times the price worth 60 times more? Or is it all the same stuff with added marketing bollox? I noticed, reading through the bumf on the websites, that the guys writing the advertising copy do not have the foggiest about fly fishing tactics. The amount of drivel accompanying the materials was ridiculous. A typical example…

    They now realise that fluoro sinks at 3 or 4 times the rate of nylon and, if we are charging more for our fluoro, we need to make this difference into an advantage. But we have no idea what any advantage might be. And so, the claim is something like: “Sinks like a brick, so avoids spooking wary fish.” Brilliant!

    Take home message: Caveat emptor!

    Col
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    That’s a fair post Col, well done for making the effort.
    Jaxons Eternum isn’t on the list and at £4.45 for 150 metres it’s one of my favourites, not just its price but it’s super reliable, fo me anyway.
    I’m loathe to use anything else now, trouble is you can only get it from Germany and they want £13.95 P&P.
    Works out at 2.96p per metre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtrout View Post
    That’s a fair post Col, well done for making the effort.
    Jaxons Eternum isn’t on the list and at £4.45 for 150 metres it’s one of my favourites, not just its price but it’s super reliable, fo me anyway.
    I’m loathe to use anything else now, trouble is you can only get it from Germany and they want £13.95 P&P.
    Works out at 2.96p per metre.
    S.
    Thanks for the input Steven. If there is enough support for the idea, I am willing to add everyone's additions to the table. The question would then be how to keep it up to date with the best prices. Open to suggestions on how such a thing would work.

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    At this point half a dozen people should tell you what a waste of time this all is. Who cares what is cost? I want the best and I know Toad Pro Plus is best and none of this matters in the real world anyway.

    Now that's out of the way. Nice job. The more light we can put on these marketing egits the better.

    Of course you could always compare it to bulk Alibaba, straight nylon 6 by the kilometre at $3 per kilogram. But that would frighten the horses.

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    I actually think it’s an interesting thread, what really interests me also is the costs of getting a spool of your favourite mono.
    For instance, Jaxons Eternum on eBay is approx £3.50 for a 150 metre spool, but at present you can only buy it from Germany.
    They want £12.48 to post it!!!? I mean cmon, that’s just bleeding ridiculous.
    I just checked what it would cost me to post a Jiffy bag with a spool inside to Germany via RM, £2.80.
    Ok, you’ve got the price of a Jiffy bag 30p? And someone to pop it in the bag, three minutes?
    Perhaps I’m just tight, but I refuse to pay that, that puts the cost per metre up from 2.96p to 9.37p
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    Good post !

    I’m looking for some fluorocarbon in 15/16lb and 25lb or saltwater leader. Been looking and unsure what to buy but I don’t want to pay silly money. Could you or any other fellow forum members advise me on some please.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtrout View Post
    I actually think it’s an interesting thread, what really interests me also is the costs of getting a spool of your favourite mono.
    I had something very similar recently. I was looking for a natural chickabou patch for dyeing. Couldn't source one anywhere in the UK. Plenty available in the USA, but ridiculous prices to ship here. Finally found one - think it was in the Netherlands. Not too far to get it sent here, you would think, and took payment by PayPal, so no currency issues. Only thing... the p&p costs were far more than the cost of the item! Decided not to bother.

    And yet plenty of stuff on eBay is postage free, from as far afield as China and Hong Kong.

    Col

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onnylad View Post
    Good post !

    I’m looking for some fluorocarbon in 15/16lb and 25lb or saltwater leader. Been looking and unsure what to buy but I don’t want to pay silly money. Could you or any other fellow forum members advise me on some please.
    Thanks in advance.
    Berkley Trilene, perhaps?

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    Col,

    Where are you finding Berkley Trilene fluoro in 1100 meter spools? I can only find Berkley Trilene Big Game nylon in bulk spools this side of the Atlantic. I don't want a mile of fluoro (hell I don't even want an inch of it) but I'm just curious.



    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    Col,

    Where are you finding Berkley Trilene fluoro in 1100 meter spools? I can only find Berkley Trilene Big Game nylon in bulk spools this side of the Atlantic. I don't want a mile of fluoro (hell I don't even want an inch of it) but I'm just curious.



    Andy
    Here you go...

    Berkley Trilene Fluorocarbon Mainline - Clear – Glasgow Angling Centre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onnylad View Post
    Good post !

    I’m looking for some fluorocarbon in 15/16lb and 25lb or saltwater leader. Been looking and unsure what to buy but I don’t want to pay silly money. Could you or any other fellow forum members advise me on some please.
    Thanks in advance.
    Depends on the spool size you want.
    World class 15lb comes in 50 and 100yd spools, very reliable (for me!)
    Not a lot of choice in 25lbs on shorter spools, and does become expensive.
    regards
    bert

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