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Old 02-07-2010, 06:32 PM
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O yes...leader makes shadow on bottom and spook the fish but this is rule only for rivers that have fishermen...in wild ,i mean realy wild waters,you can attach small fly on 0.35 mm tippet and you want spook it


Trout dont mind for that at all...if that item looks wright trout will get it

But whether the leaders on the top or sub surface you still get that shadow, and its still attached to the fly.... it is still seen.

dont agree there madjoni if its slightly out of drift with the current or moving a cross it thats whan I think they get up set enough to let it pass.
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:42 PM
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But whether the leaders on the top or sub surface you still get that shadow, and its still attached to the fly.... it is still seen.

dont agree there madjoni if its slightly out of drift with the current or moving a cross it thats whan I think they get up set enough to let it pass.
All this discusion comes because trout is on big fishermen presure .
i say again,where is no fisherman you can get trout on some unthinkable ways. Full stop.
And you dont get shadows with some kind of tippet materials ..ofcourse when that tippet is in water...on surface everything makes shadow.
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( talking from a river streams perspective)
Could someone explain to me why fish would care if they saw a bit of leader on the surface. I cannot see the logic behind the assumption that trout see this as a threat or a reason to not choose a morcel of food because it has some thread drifting along with it.

Does it make a difference? Yes it does. If your drifting a small dry in a current and your leader is sub surface in a different flow rate then you create drag.
Pom , i have not and can not tell the difference in catch rate as to whether my tippet is sunk or floating,and they sure as hell are not gonna have chance in faster water to decide if they should have it or not because of a little bit of "thread" attatched, after all a lot of food will/does have filaments of weed attatched at times ?????????? and if im totally honest i do believe i have caught more with it floating ,as you say sub surface in another part of the current will create drag !!!!!
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Stuart crofts did an interesting experiment on this question once. It sounds far fetched, but anyone who knows him realises its just the type of thing he does frequently. He will always question what is percieved wisdom in Fishing.

He got a load of blue bottles and froze them.

Now the reason he did this is because he had been on a bridge watching some fish and throwing some dead flies to them and they were doing what you would expect when a food item went over them.

So he caught a load of blue bottles and froze them, He threaded a few inches of thick mono through some of them, And he went back to the bridge and threw in the frozen flies, with or without the thick mono they were all still gobbled up. Then he tied some gossamer thin silk to a fly and dapped it on to the water with a tight line so the fly was slightly out of kilter with the current... it was refused each time he did it.
His conclusion was that the fish didnt care for the nylon, as long as the fly drifted with the current, but once you caused drag it was refused. Maybe the OP should try the same experiment.
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Pom, sometimes what i do is i shall run the last foot/eighteen inches gently through my fingernails creating coils ,this not only leaves less of a footprint on the water,but also has the advantage of some "slack" when in differing currents allowing a bit more time before the tippet straightens out and creates drag,(something from my carp fishing)
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Think if they've been hooked once or twice they may be line wary but take your point WP; how can we ever really know? Setting a truly controlled experiment would be quite difficult and although I'm not knocking the SC study, it just adds more questions in my view.

Perhaps it was hot and it was like a Blue Bottle Sorbet after a Mayfly Stroganoff gorging session?
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Think if they've been hooked once or twice they may be line wary but take your point WP; how can we ever really know? Setting a truly controlled experiment would be quite difficult and although I'm not knocking the SC study, it just adds more questions in my view.

Perhaps it was hot and it was like a Blue Bottle Sorbet after a Mayfly Stroganoff gorging session?
If we have time machine and go back in time,let say 10 000 years ,i dont think that 1mm tippet can spook the trout
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Equally, I remember visiting a spot somewhere near the Peak District just a few years back, where feeding the 'wild' fish off the local footbridge is almost a tourist attraction; tame trout that must be verging on suicidal in their closeness to human predation, must be carefully guarded at might from pikeys.
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