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    Hi Col ,

    Wish I hadn't asked now

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    Hi Danny/

    The important thing is that if this is what you keep going back to, then you should go with your instinct.
    Yes I do keep coming back to it and I think that is in part due to me having had a play with my mates G1 and liked it and even though this was one of the first models out the images seem to be good from the G1 and even better from the G3

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    "In some sense the G3 is a camera not quite sure just what it wants to be. Its small size (though certainly not pocketable) and rather simplified on-body control layout hint that it is best suited for casual shooters who may be intimidated by a larger body..."
    Yes I picked up on this when reading the review but after reading loads more over the last week I have come to the conclusion that while it may not be sure what it wants to be, it is , I think , what I want it to be ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    Not being familiar with Panasonic cameras I know nothing about the lenses that are available for the body you are considering. To many photographers it is a case of choose your lenses first, then find a body to put them on. When you see images of the very very highest quality, it's not down to the camera as much as it is down to the glass. OK, it might be a case of start out with this camera, plus a couple of lenses and if you take to photography, after a year sell it all and buy into the house of Canon or Nikon (other houses are available ) to give you access to the full range of lenses. Or, you could save a year and start down that road now...
    Yes I understand how important lenses are and there are a nice full range from Panasonic ( and Olympus and Sigma etc ) in the micro four thirds format , all ya Prime , Zoom and Macro are there and also there is the option of adding a converter ring to add standard lenses to the body .
    I would maybe save that year if it was an option but to be honest the main reason I have ended up at the point I am at now , almost 100 % on a mirrorless compact , a Lumix G3 , is down to money . As good as I can get for what I want from a camera ( for now ) for the money I could stretch to ..
    Plus as I have said before I have had a play with a G1 and liked it and what it could do and the G3 is a big move forward from the G1 .
    I am going down the second hand route and as such I can have a play with both camera and lenses and if they are not my cup of tea or once I out grow them in a year or so I can resell with little loss on the body and no loss on any lenses I let go ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    Sorry - it is very difficult for me to keep an open mind on this subject - I am trying - honest
    Haha ah thats fine and I fully understand where you are coming from and how hard it is for you old'ns to move with change and progress

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    So - yes - if you have set your mind on the Panasonic - go for it

    Col
    I have and I will !!

    Seriously though thanks for all the time you have taken to "try" and help me
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweenytodd View Post
    Hi Col ,

    Wish I hadn't asked now


    Yes I do keep coming back to it and I think that is in part due to me having had a play with my mates G1 and liked it and even though this was one of the first models out the images seem to be good from the G1 and even better from the G3



    Yes I picked up on this when reading the review but after reading loads more over the last week I have come to the conclusion that while it may not be sure what it wants to be, it is , I think , what I want it to be ...



    Yes I understand how important lenses are and there are a nice full range from Panasonic ( and Olympus and Sigma etc ) in the micro four thirds format , all ya Prime , Zoom and Macro are there and also there is the option of adding a converter ring to add standard lenses to the body .
    I would maybe save that year if it was an option but to be honest the main reason I have ended up at the point I am at now , almost 100 % on a mirrorless compact , a Lumix G3 , is down to money . As good as I can get for what I want from a camera ( for now ) for the money I could stretch to ..
    Plus as I have said before I have had a play with a G1 and liked it and what it could do and the G3 is a big move forward from the G1 .
    I am going down the second hand route and as such I can have a play with both camera and lenses and if they are not my cup of tea or once I out grow them in a year or so I can resell with little loss on the body and no loss on any lenses I let go ...



    Haha ah thats fine and I fully understand where you are coming from and how hard it is for you old'ns to move with change and progress

    I have and I will !!

    Seriously though thanks for all the time you have taken to "try" and help me
    You've had some good advice there about choosing lenses and then the camera to go with them. Lenses can be permanent items in your equipment whilst the bodies of cameras are really consummables. The thing to do is buy what you fancy and use it almost to the point of destruction. Then chuck it away and buy another body (and maybe an adapter if needed) to fit those favourite lenses of yours.

    The main thing is whatever you do buy, to use it and use it and use it.

    At around 300 for a Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G3 16 MP Micro Four-Thirds Interchangeable Lens Camera with 3-Inch Free-Angle Touch-Screen LCD and 14-42mm Lumix G VARIO f/3.5-5.6 Lens you cannot really go wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by richardw View Post
    You've had some good advice there about choosing lenses and then the camera to go with them. Lenses can be permanent items in your equipment whilst the bodies of cameras are really consummables. The thing to do is buy what you fancy and use it almost to the point of destruction. Then chuck it away and buy another body (and maybe an adapter if needed) to fit those favourite lenses of yours.

    The main thing is whatever you do buy, to use it and use it and use it.

    At around 300 for a Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G3 16 MP Micro Four-Thirds Interchangeable Lens Camera with 3-Inch Free-Angle Touch-Screen LCD and 14-42mm Lumix G VARIO f/3.5-5.6 Lens you cannot really go wrong.


    richard
    Indeed Richard and my plan is to get this to start with , hopefully with the earlier and better 14-45 lens , and then start playing about with and building up a lens collection ( not cheap are they !! ) and then finally upgrade the body once I have my head around all the basics

    ---------- Post added at 10:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 PM ----------

    I have downloaded loads of full size sample images taken with the G3 and various lenses and have to say I am very impressed and if I can get these results then I will be more than happy with that standard and quality ...... for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartpengs View Post
    Just thought I'd add a small point Danny. For the most you'll get acceptable results with the four thirds, and if you're just out for general shots then I don't think you'll reach its limits. If you want to try some of the action type shots though, it's still where they fall down somewhat. Burst rate isn't too bad at 4fps shooting in RAW, but it fills the buffer pretty quickly, so if you want to fire off a lot of shots in RAW you're going to get a bit hacked off with the delay. The screen also reverts to previous image review when shooting in high burst, making tracking your subject difficult. Contrast detection focus tracking can also compound the problem. Those fishing action types shots are quite a small niche though, so if you're not planning on using it for that then it's no problem.
    Thanks for that Stu

    Yeah I had noticed these limits and it will at some point in the future become an issue as I surely will want to take action shots of fish coz I is a fisherman innit
    This still isn't enough to put me off the camera though as I think it will offer me plenty in terms of general usage with good lens options and image quality and a platform to learn all the ins and outs of ISO , aperture and f numbers , shutter speeds , focal points , DOF , priorities and picture processing etc etc ... It will give me plenty of use and move me forward on the learning curve and feel it will be a while before I outgrow it and for now I think there is enough on offer here in the G3 to be getting on with that I can live without those high speed action multi shots ....for now , remember I am a complete newbie with all all this
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    Danny a few things you put in your post
    1 the convertor to put older lenses on micro four thirds.
    this was one of the selling points for me also. I have some Lieca M lenses and the thought of using a 50mm summilux as a 100 mm portrait lens seemed a great option. Using one of the cheaper convertors the results were awful. So I bought the Panasonic convertor. Still the results are not great, the images seem flat and lifeless and there appears to be no infinity focus ( unless its somewhere beyond Mars).
    2 the older zoom lenses.
    these were pretty useless too ( well the 14-45's were) The new power zoom is not bad, but not something i would rely on if I really wanted a great shot.
    the good news is the prices
    I got the 14-45 power zoom on Ebay for 135
    the 20mm pancake 150
    the 14mm pancake 135
    the lieca summilux ( awesome lens) 25mm 1.4 250
    and the olympus 45mm ( also awesome) 180

    In all those lenses weigh next to nothing and fit happily in a jacket pocket virtually forgotten. In the old film days to carry that range around would have weighed a ton and needed camera bag to trek them around.
    If I really wanted action shots or to do good portraits, I would sorely miss the direct control of the DSLR, as i tend to do street photography and landscapes mostly the lightness and convenience of Micro four thirds is whats converted me.

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    No doubt that the technology is moving on in the mirrorless world. If you ever need speed then it is available in spade loads already, and faster than any pro DSLR! There is the Nikon V2 available which is the ultimate speed shooter capable of 15 individually focused frames per second. If you want more speed (but focus fixed at the first frame) then you can dial up 30 or even 60 fps rates ( but the buffer is only 30 shots deep). All this is with full 14MP resolution in either RAW or jpegs!
    You'll never find a mirror fast enough to flap at those rates ...



    And the CX sensor seems to compare very closely to the M4/3 performance as well, so it is not just a snap shot toy, there are pro's who carry it alongside their D4 & D600 DSLRs for wildlife shoots and get saleable images from it.

    Its certainly has never been a better time for action photography technology.
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    I bought the Panasonic G2 (model before the G3) for both my daughters last year. They both love it, and for the current price for the G3, it's difficult to go wrong. Panasonic are always optimistic and make too many cameras before the next model comes along, so have to shift the old (but still just as good) stock at ridiculous prices.

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    Interesting news from Nikon...

    Disappointing sales of mirrorless system cameras

    Still a product in search of a market?

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    ''Disappointing sales of mirrorless system''

    Oh? How so? Richard said it was the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    ''Disappointing sales of mirrorless system''

    Oh? How so? Richard said it was the future
    Seems he was wrong. Garlic bread is the future

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