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    Default vintage split cane reliability

    Hi all, i have a real liking for short split cane fly rods, 6ft - 8ft.
    Maybe I've been very lucky but i have never had a problem with the ones i have, i have found them to be strong and reliable tools.
    I do hear of delamination and problems with glue failing at the ferrules on some rods.

    My question is this, i really fancy a vintage Hardy, a Marvel, CC de France or similar, given that some of theses are very old and expensive, would they still be a reliable fishing tool?

    My oldest rod is a Fosters of Ashbourne Airsprite, 7ft. Its a great rod.
    It has intermediate wraps, which i thought all vintage rods had, due to the early glues being not too reliable.
    I notice though that some of the very early Hardy Marvels do not have these, did Hardy have a better quality glue way back then?

    Steve

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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    The high quality rods have survived, inferior cane has taken a set or delaminated and been binned. I have a Farlows rod which is 100 years old and is perfectly OK to use. Animal glues were not up to modern standards and some rods had intermediate whippings to help prevent delamination. Most ferrules failed because water seeped into the female and the cane swelled, splitting the brass.
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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    As above, but with this small codicil. I fished a Montague City 9' last year. As worthless a piece of **** today as it was when it was made a century ago. It survived because it is so bad nobody fished it. You should be grand with a Hardy or any other good name.

    Simon.
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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    Look out for a Sharpes of Aberdeen Scottie on ebay, most are impregnated with phenolic resin, stay straight and don't delaminate. Lovely rods to use.
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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    Thanks for the replies.
    I have had a sharpes rod in the past, and like you say they are really well made and you don't have to worry about varnish.
    I really like parabolic or soft actions, so maybe i will look for a Marvel.

    Steve

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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    Quote Originally Posted by sofasurfer View Post
    Look out for a Sharpes of Aberdeen Scottie on ebay, most are impregnated with phenolic resin, stay straight and don't delaminate. Lovely rods to use.
    I definitely agree with that. I love mine

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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    Here’s my take on the vintage rod scene ;
    Impregnated Rods as made by Orvis , Sharpes and Partridges for example are bomb proof fishing tools .
    Rods glued with Resorcinol are generally bomb proof .
    Rods glued with Urea Formaldehyde (e.g Cascamite) always leave a nagging doubt in my mind . Hardy and Allcocks for example have both used Cascamite and I have handled rods from both these manufacturers that have exhibited delamination , usually at the high stress areas (e.g tip sections).
    Be mindful that even at the peak of cane rod production a lot of rubbish was produced by today’s standards of cane rod building. There are no better cane rods than those produced today .
    Last edited by william henry; 11-08-2019 at 09:19 PM.

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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    what About a Walker Bampton, of Alnwick, reputed to be better than Hardy,usually any one who has one hangs on to it, easker1

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    Default Re: vintage split cane reliability

    Quote Originally Posted by easker1 View Post
    what About a Walker Bampton, of Alnwick, reputed to be better than Hardy,usually any one who has one hangs on to it, easker1
    Yes i agree, they made some very nice rods, i had a nice 7ft one which i sold on.
    I had bought a couple of Constable brook rods, so had to let the Walker Bampton go.
    Cliff Constable made some great rods, the 6ft 9in Wallop brook is the best small stream rod i have owned.

    Steve

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